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Natural Selection
09-02-2005, 08:42 PM
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Natural Selection

Has natural selection died a death?

To an old cynic like me, it seems that the natural selection process - survival of the fittest - is no longer the way our species is evolving.

Modern society seems to be geared towards protecting vulnerable and weak, who would have died out in the natural evolution process.

Schools are designed to curb the natural agression of the alpha male, children are taught not to fight and those who show a natural dominance are punished and disciplined.

The strongest and fittest are no longer our natural leaders - rather the richest and/or cleverest rise to the top, regardless of physical prowess.

So what does this mean for the human race? Are we destined to become an immobile brain whose lives are governed by the microchip, kept alive by medical science rather than genetic make-up?

Has mankind taken over from Mother Nature and become its own God?

Was there in fact a typo in the bible which should, in fact have read

The Geek Shall Inherit The Earth

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10-02-2005, 10:45 AM
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I think in a way it's still kind of natural selection, we are evolving to become more intelligent which is power in itself, just not physical strength. Surely if we know how to keep people alive better (advances in medicine etc...) then more humans will live, so more people in future generations so humans rule the planet for longer...

Things in nature always seem to balance themselves out...

Sorry if this sounds like rubbish, but my brain doesn't function well at this time...

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10-02-2005, 11:22 AM
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Flyo Wrote:I think in a way it's still kind of natural selection, we are evolving to become more intelligent

Are we though? To play devil's advocate for a minute, it could appear to some that it is the lower-paid and less intelligent members of society who are having more children, the unemployed council tenants with a penchant for procreation, whilst the career-minded high achievers are having maybe one child, much later in life.

If the more successful members of society are breeding less, surely they will become outnumbered/replaced by the lower echelons, in time.


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10-02-2005, 11:33 AM
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floopy Wrote:Are we though? To play devil's advocate for a minute, it could appear to some that it is the lower-paid and less intelligent members of society who are having more children, the unemployed council tenants with a penchant for procreation, whilst the career-minded high achievers are having maybe one child, much later in life.

If the more successful members of society are breeding less, surely they will become outnumbered/replaced by the lower echelons, in time.

Good point Floopy - whether its right I dont know, but thats how it appears to be going........

we are getting over run with hooligans with no social skills - and I will be honest I find it quite frightening on one hand, and on the other hand I feel immense relief that I havent had any children myself, born to a life growing up with feckwits......

I find it sad that the lack of direction, discipline and focus that Jade and Lewie have gone without in the past.................

Lewie is doing well at college studying Motor Mechanics, but Jade seems to think that she can walk into a 50k a year job with little or no offort at all - she is only taking 3 exams in her final year - I have said to her, so do you just "want to get by" or "do you want a good life, with all the trappings", because unless you work hard you will end up doing a menial job as you wont have the qualifications to get a better one - I know, I did the same - I was 28 when I actually got a professional qualification and boy did my life change once I got it!!!!!

I suppose you try to prevent your kids from making the same mistakes that you did, but its SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hard when they think they know the answers to everything and you know **** all!!!!!

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10-02-2005, 12:19 PM
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Good one Floopy Smile

Hummm, tricky though. The thing is, that as far as I know the concept of 'Survival of the Fittest' literally means the survival of those who best fit their environment, and not those who are strongest, although in reality the two are often the same. I think these days we are operating more in line with the theory of 'Developmental Plasticity' (not another theory really, just a different side to the same coin) which asserts that an organism will evolve, grow or develop in line with what is required by their environment, in short they'll develop to best 'fit' their immediate living space, in the way that will serve their survival needs the best. I suppose to those who are the 'poorest' in both financial and social/intellectual abilities that means doing what you feel you need to do to ensure that you survive in a world that you are not totally equipped to operate in by using your own strengths, ie, you live off the strength of others. What could (controversially) be called 'parasitic behaviour' I suppose.

Life isn't really a level playing field and these days, as a socialised community we can't really justify abandoning responsibility for the survival of those who have to play on the lowest end of it, even if we perceive that some do little to help themselves. We also know that those perceived to be the 'weakest' in one area often turn out to have the greatest strengths in others which can greatly benefit society (I'm thinking people like Stephen Hawking here).

I haven't really thought this through and the above are merely my musings on the subject, basically I'm winging it! I'll have a good think and come back to it.
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10-02-2005, 06:36 PM
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Oh Floops what an interesting question!

We have talked here about humankind. What about the animal kingdom? Was Darwin's theory initial postualted to encompass all life or just the animals? I don't know.

In the animal kingdom, I would like to hope that the theory still holds true, that the fittest continue to breed and develop in line with their species, and I am sure that is true to a large extent. But what about the intervention of mankind? This has had some massive and longlasting and/or dramatic and/or devastating effects on the planet, let alone the animal kingdom.

And does natural selection encompass natural demise? Or is that down to mankind. Oh I gotta go Mr F wants to use the compoooter - wil continue at a later date.
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10-02-2005, 06:54 PM
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I'm not even going to pretend I am a boff on this subject, but didn't we as humans do away with the survival of the fittest a long time ago, if indeed we ever did use it as a race?

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10-02-2005, 07:02 PM
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floopy Wrote:If the more successful members of society are breeding less, surely they will become outnumbered/replaced by the lower echelons, in time.
LOL which group do you fall in then Floopy? :laugh:

Who are the most succesful members of our society? The royal family. Quite. The pinnacle of evolution... not. The sooner they get outnumbered and replaced by the lower echelons the better Wink

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10-02-2005, 08:21 PM
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mikado Wrote:LOL which group do you fall in then Floopy? :laugh:

Who are the most succesful members of our society? The royal family. Quite. The pinnacle of evolution... not. The sooner they get outnumbered and replaced by the lower echelons the better Wink

Depends on how you measure success I guess. I certainly wouldn't count an inbred bunch of mascots as successful, no. I'd look more towards Bill Gates and Richard Branson personally.

Perceived "class" has little or nothing to do with it.


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