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Ridiculous Child Seat Laws
28-09-2006, 12:53 PM
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Ridiculous Child Seat Laws

I've stolen this, but it sums up my sentiment perfectly and saves me having to type too much:

Quote:Of all the sensations of joy and release that Nature in her kindness has bestowed on the human race, there is little or nothing to beat the moment when you get rid of the baby's car seat.

It beats getting off a long-haul flight. It beats taking off a pair of ill-fitting ski-boots after a hard day on the slopes. It verges, frankly, on the orgasmic. As you take the wretched thing to Oxfam, you thank your stars that never again will you have to grapple with that incomprehensible buckle.

It is, therefore, utterly incredible that the state should now be trying to prolong our national car seat agony. How old do you think they have to be before the nanny state will let your kids sit in the back without a car seat? Did I hear six? Did I hear seven? No, my friends, we are being asked to put our children in plastic booster seats until they reach the ripe old age of 12 or attain a height of 135cm, whichever is the sooner.

If people decide that they are not going to comply with this crack-brained law, and they are not going to buy a banquette booster-seat for an 11-year-old, then they will have my complete sympathy. If the overworked police of this country decide they have better things to do than flag motorists down and measure their children to see whether or not they are more than 4ft 5in, then they will have my full support.

If they decide that they are not going to waste their precious time fining parents up to £500 for driving a 134cm 11-year-old without a booster seat then they will, in my view, be exercising robust common sense.

Has Labour gone finally potty in asking the cops to spend their time poking their noses into the back seats of our cars? Why the hell are we doing this, when violent crime is going up, when burglary has been virtually decriminalised, and when the number of children killed in car accidents has been steadily diminishing for the past 20 years?

Between 1981 and 1985 there was an average of 18 fatalities per year of children aged eight-11 using roads in the United Kingdom. That had fallen to 12 in the period 1994-98, to 11 in 2002, and in 2004 the total number of fatalities stood at four – an astonishing reflection on the growing safety of cars, when you consider how enormously they have increased in number.

It wasn't some gentleman in Whitehall who decided he knew best about booster seats. It wasn't even the brainchild of the UK health and safety industry. It is, of course, an EU directive, which means that elected British politicians have been given neither the means nor the opportunity to contest it – or even to debate it.

This EU directive, 2003/20/EC, arises because a few years ago some lonely and bored European Commission official was persuaded (no doubt by the booster seat industry) that in some circumstances children under 135cm would be safer with booster seats.

So a directive was drawn up. Even if any EU government had dared oppose this "child safety" measure, that government could have been simply outvoted – while looking cavalier about the wellbeing of our little ones. The UK therefore apathetically connived in the exercise, and the directive was sent for "scrutiny" before parliament's European Scrutiny Committee.

Needless to say, there was no discussion or "scrutiny", since the huge volume of EU legislation makes this impractical. As it rubber-stamped the directive (and bear in mind that there is no way Parliament, at that or any other stage, could have said no) the committee did ask two questions. How much would these seats cost the average family, and how many lives would be saved?

Four years later, long after this directive has become irreversible, the Government has replied. They don't know how much it will cost, they say, but the measure "might save" the lives of 1.5 children per year. In the whole country.

OK folks: you do the maths. You think how many millions of car journeys are there involving children every day. You might decide that it is still worth installing booster seats for all under 135cm. But with odds like that it should surely be a matter for individual choice and not international coercion.

I agree wholeheartedly with Boris!

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28-09-2006, 01:02 PM
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I read through the child law as Katie was under 135 cm, what astounded me was this paragraph:

Quote:In addition, a child 3 and over may travel unrestrained in the rear seat of a vehicle if seat belts are not available

So they say that by using booster seats and child restraints that we are protecting your children and you tell your children this, then along comes child No 3 and you just stick in them in the rear seat without a seatbelt!!

Quote:The safest option is to only carry the same number of passengers as there are seat belts. If necessary, use two cars or make two journeys for the trip.

If you must carry a passenger for whom there is no seat belt, it is better for the heaviest passengers to wear a seat belt, because they would cause more severe injuries to other people in the car if they are thrown about in a crash.

On one hand they tell you to limit the amount of car journey and economical and then they tell you to make two journeys.

And it now appears that it certainly pays to be fat as at least you get a seatbelt!

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28-09-2006, 01:04 PM
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Groucho Wrote:Of all the sensations of joy and release that Nature in her kindness has bestowed on the human race, there is little or nothing to beat the moment when you get rid of the baby's car seat.
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28-09-2006, 01:25 PM
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I agree too. My youngest is 133.5cm and I for one will NOT be buying a booster seat for him, as he has been out of one since he was about 6.

It also winds me up when I sit behind a car at a traffic light and the occupants of the back seat of the car in front of me are toddlers walking along the back seat...Do they get stopped by the police? Do they f.....!!!
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28-09-2006, 01:36 PM
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Buzz Wrote:I agree too. My youngest is 133.5cm and I for one will NOT be buying a booster seat for him, as he has been out of one since he was about 6.
So sexy when you go all Thelma and Louise, Buzz! :w00t:

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28-09-2006, 01:45 PM
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When I think back to when I was I was youngster and going on holidays in our faithful Datsun (now known as Nissan) with mum & dad puffing away on Embassy King Sizes in the front and in the back without seatbelts were me, my sister and nana & grandad!!! If that was today dad would have needed have taken us down to Great Yarmouth, then headed back up again for Grandad!

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28-09-2006, 03:51 PM
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Bella Wrote:When I think back to when I was I was youngster and going on holidays in our faithful Datsun (now known as Nissan) with mum & dad puffing away on Embassy King Sizes in the front and in the back without seatbelts were me, my sister and nana & grandad!!! If that was today dad would have needed have taken us down to Great Yarmouth, then headed back up again for Grandad!

Wait till the Californian laws kick in to the EU, then pops will be jailed for smoking in a car with kids (under 12 I think, can't remember)
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28-09-2006, 04:20 PM
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I think the new law makes sense, apparantly seat belts can do an incredible amount of damage to short people and this will help avoid that. I can imagine its a pain when your child hasn't been using one but if it helps them avoid being severely injured then it can't be all bad (although I can't imagine trying to persuade an older child back onto a booster seat).

I know at 5ft 2 and even on the lowest setting my seat belt still cuts across my neck but I can't sit on a cushion because I'd never reach the pedals, I dread to think how cut up I'd be if I was ever in an accident.
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28-09-2006, 04:25 PM
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Sammboelyn Wrote:I think the new law makes sense, apparantly seat belts can do an incredible amount of damage to short people and this will help avoid that. I can imagine its a pain when your child hasn't been using one but if it helps them avoid being severely injured then it can't be all bad (although I can't imagine trying to persuade an older child back onto a booster seat).

I know at 5ft 2 and even on the lowest setting my seat belt still cuts across my neck but I can't sit on a cushion because I'd never reach the pedals, I dread to think how cut up I'd be if I was ever in an accident.

When are you 12 Samm? :wink2:

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28-09-2006, 04:45 PM
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Groucho Wrote:When are you 12 Samm? :wink2:
This is very off topic, but at work the other day I overheard a teacher ask one of our little girls when she would be 4? to which she answered 'When I have finished being 3!'...very good answer I thought.

anyway, sorry:offtopic: :offtopic:
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