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Simon Cowell - outstanding contribution..
15-10-2008, 10:50 AM
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Simon Cowell - outstanding contribution..

I'm sorry... to MUSIC?

Simon Cowell.. will get an honorary Brit Award.. for an outstanding contribution to music. And I really wish I was making that up.

So what exactly has Simon Cowell done to be mentioned in the same breath as other winners of this category (U2, Duran Duran, Bowie, Bee Gees)? Oh, that's right - he effectively killed pop music. Um.. thanks?

So, before he became the reality monster that he is (and don't get me wrong, I actually LIKE Simon Cowell), what great contributions to music has he made?

Well, he released records for the Power Rangers, Tellytubbies, WWF(E), Westlife, Five and, um, Ultimate Kaos. No, me neither.

So basically a collection of novelty tat and boybands. Outstanding.

Then, fast forward a few years, and he's unleashed the likes of Michelle McManus, Leon Jackson and other bargain bin bound disasters, cluttered up the music scene with karaoke, "oh, I want this soooooo badly" idiots and created a whole generation of kids who don't want to be in a band when they grow up, they want to sing Mariah Carey songs in front of him and f***ing Louis Walsh.

The Brit Awards have always made some crap choices in the past (remember when the Spice Girls won this award?!) but this is an all-time low. The ceremony always ends with the winner of this award singing a collection of their greatest hits. So what's Cowell going to do? A collection of his greatest put-downs? A medley of Five songs?

What a joke.

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15-10-2008, 02:06 PM
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Whilst I sympathise with the view that manufactured recording artists have "effectively killed pop music", I would disagree that Simon Cowell is responsible for that. That concept was created by Stock, Aitken and Waterman some 10 years before Cowell came along. All Simon Cowell has done is commercialised that concept via television in a massive way.

And I have to say that doing that has resulted in some genuine talent coming to light. The likes of Leona Lewis and Kelly Clarkson. Maybe even Will Young. Their style of music doesn't really attract me, but there is no denying that they are talented individuals. Much more so than the manufactured rubbish turned out by producers like SAW and Simon Fuller (the guy responsible for The Spice Girls).

Does Simon Cowell deserve a Brit Award for that? I dunno. But given that manufactured recording artists were already out there turning out unregulated dross, perhaps he does deserve some credit for refining the process.

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15-10-2008, 03:25 PM
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No, no, no, no, NO.

I have nothing against S.A.W's brand of pop. True, it did kind of have a stranglehold over the charts for a few years, but it was decent POP music.

I'm not saying anyone who doesn't play 20 instruments and write every song isn't a real pop star. I'm not saying every pop star has to be Prince (pfff, like that could ever happen). But S.A.W's output was REAL pop music. And any music snob in the world who doesn't think the likes of I Should Be So Lucky and Never Gonna Give You Up aren't great pop records is an idiot.

What Cowell has done is rip the entire guts from the pop music scene. There's no "magic" anymore. There's no sense that the song being sung by the "artist" actually means something to them. I remember a scene from The Simpsons, where Marge is thinking of how a girl saw her at school with a Monkees lunchbox, and the girl says "ewwww, you like The Monkees? You know they don't write their own songs?!" And Marge is horrified at the idea. Stupid point, I know, but that sense of innocence is long, long gone - all thanks to the horrors of X Factor et al.

Now kids KNOW how the whole horrible machine works - they even see the damn CD getting pressed. (And don't get me started on Cowell ruining the appeal of the Christmas number one either). Kids see their puppet being given the song, being told how to dance, told how to dress and how to sing correctly. It's not pop music anymore - it's an eager to please kid being given songs and told to sing them, and yet we're still expected to buy into their "emotions?" Like I said, there's no innocence in the whole thing anymore. You go onto message boards nowadays and kids are talking about mid-week sales and marketing. What the Christ?

Britney Spears is easily the greatest pop star in ten years, and she's hardly Bob Dylan is she? Yet we can BELIEVE her songs, and that's why, even after a mental meltdown and the public hating her, she's back bigger than ever (and her new single is fantastic, and - phew - THAT video) THAT's a pop star, and her songs are REAL pop music. And Cowell's awful, awful, AWFUL pop creations won't ever be able to reach that.

As for the "greats" from Cowell? Will Young is decent but he emerged when the whole reality pop star thing was new, ditto Kelly Clarkston. Leona Lewis? Nice voice - most boring girl on the planet, though. Girls Aloud are probably the best thing to come from any of these damn shows, and, again, it's because they came out of the machine when it was still new. And they've managed to stay at the top with great pop songs and, well, they're not exactly hard on the eye either.

And The Spice Girls first two albums were perfect examples of how to do pop music well. And Geri Halliwell was/is smoking hot. Can't forget that.

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15-10-2008, 04:29 PM
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But the way I see it, if people see the 'whole horrible machine', this is good.

I would much rather it be open to people, and people were aware of what happened to get a record there. Maybe this is the 'wrong' view, but I value open and honest work much more highly than stuff that is deceitful and pretends to be something that it isn't.

We all know exactly how The X Factor works, and that's the appeal to me. It may not be honest, but I think most people can see past it. And, whilst I agree with your view on Leona Lewis being boring, Bleeding Love was a cracking track, even though I didn't take to it much.

Oh, and I think the new Britney song is awful, and nowhere near the quality of Toxic and her earlier stuff. But that's just my opinion.

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15-10-2008, 05:41 PM
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Mars Wrote:But that's just my opinion.

Hateful saying. There is NO such thing, dammit, as "just" your opinion.

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15-10-2008, 05:59 PM
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Yes there is. Because, in the grand scheme of things, my opinion of Britney Spears new song doesn't matter.

Other people like it, great. People like me will hate it. That's good too.

But just because I don't like it, it doesn't change anything.

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15-10-2008, 06:23 PM
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Yeah but if we think like THAT then what's the point of even owning a computer? What's the point of coming in forums like this? Hell, what's the point in anything? "In the grand scheme of things" - what the hell does that even mean?

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15-10-2008, 10:36 PM
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Because I can still explain why I don't like it, and listen to why people do like it. I like to discuss things, not preach.

And I've already said, I come on here for light relief. I don't take anything seriously on here. If any of the other posters disagrees with me, let them. I can still have a laugh.

Put simply, to me, my opinion is important. But I don't expect anyone else to class my opinion as the be all and end all. I would hope they respect it, but they don't have to agree.

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15-10-2008, 11:20 PM
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The Curmudgeon Wrote:So what exactly has Simon Cowell done to be mentioned in the same breath as other winners of this category (U2, Duran Duran, Bowie, Bee Gees)?


Erm, is is that when it all boils down to it, that they're all really sh!t?? Not sure...

Kags Wrote:That concept was created by Stock, Aitken and Waterman some 10 years before Cowell came along.

They were doing it back in the 50's........

Curmy Wrote:Britney Spears is easily the greatest pop star in ten years
seriously Curmy....brilliant!!!!

Greatest w4nkfodder for school age boys perhaps, but great.....loving your irony.


Curmy Wrote:what the hell does that even mean?

It dont mean nuffink.......in fact, I doubt this web site really exists outside my sad and lacking imaginatuin!

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16-10-2008, 05:57 AM
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David Bowie is ****? Seriously? David Bowie?! Oh Groucho.. and I had such high hopes for you.

As for my Britney comment - no irony intended. She IS the greatest pop star in the last ten years. I'm not talking ROCK star, I'm not talking musician or singer. She's none of them. But she's the most photographed, gossiped about person (arguably) in the world. She's had a series of fantastic pop records that have almost become part of our everyday culture. And if that's not a great POP (and once again, I stress that word) star, I don't know what is.

Can you name me someone else in the last ten years who'd had a bigger cultural impact in pop music than Britney Spears?

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