Well did anyone see the first episode?

I did not watch the last one with any enthusiasm - but this one seemed a bit of a must.

All the kids seemingly came from middle class backgrounds, primarily with 2 parents - and they are all gross! I thought my 14 year old was bad - he is a perfect poppet in comparison to these BRATS.

I am so going to love watching their ups and downs and hopefully fledgling wake up calls to the real world, as opposed to the world according to Xanthe, Jo, Alex, Jennie, Ed etc etc etc.

The instructors are fab. They have a no nonsence view of life - with rules adhered to and no compromise. I loved the old guy who said something like [i]'I have no degree in psychology or psychiatry or child care I just have a degree in Cowboy!!!'. He looked like he fought int he Alamo - what a dude!!

Im with you Flip, I thought it was fantastic. But I was shocked at how truly awful the brats were..........& their families were just normal, nice families, not the horrible scumbags you would assume if you saw their little darlings in the street.

The behaviour of the children towards their families was brutal - verbal abuse, physical violence.........I wasn't a perfect teenager by any means but I don't think I could have lived with myself if I caused my mum that much pain, & of course, there is the fact that she would have wiped the floor with me.

I thought it was very interesting that such hard-faced little hooligans whinged & whined about wanting to go home but not one of them stepped outside the circle of stones without permission :laugh:

Yeah, I agree, compulsive viewing. I was ashamed that my reaction was that they needed a good hard slap because it's not allowed these days and I know that you can't treat violence with violence but somewhere deep down I had the feeling that they were the product of the "no smacking, over indulgent" parenting that seems to be the norm these days. If parents aren't allowed to hit their kids then surely kids aren't allowed to hit their parents either :huh:

I had to feel sorry for those parents though and I think it made us all feel better that even if we didn't always get it right, and maybe our kids aren't angels but at least they didn't turn out like that :)

Another fan here. I enjoyed the first series and this one's shaping up to be even better.

These kids aren't your average run of the mill brats, they're spoilt brats who have it all but want more.

Can you imagine a scheme like that operating in the UK?
There's strong evidence these sorts of projects and the boot camp scheme for young repeat offenders produce good results. However, in this country 'human rights' is a byword for I can do anything I want without fear of reprisal and no one dare restrict a child or young adult from having total freedom regardless of what they've done.

I felt sympathetic towards the parents. They have rights too. The right not to expect to be abused, beaten up, to have their property vandalised, or to have their goods and money stolen by their own children.

That female counselor, or whatever she described herself as, was ace. She saw straight through Jenny's act and wasn't about to be swayed by the histrionics.

I just watched it on vid - excellent stuff.

I kind of feel a bit sorry for the parents, I think they're probably just guilty of over-loving their children. The kids know that unconditional love can't be revoked and they play on it totally.

I really hope none of the parents give in and let them come home - can't wait to see who the kids change when the parents gets flown in though. I suspect they'll all be back to square one with the weeping histrionics again

Loved this last night.

We all think..that won't be my child..but they all came from nice homes with nice parents. What is parenting?

I think I am a good one at the moment, strict (actually stricter than most I know) but fair and honest..which IMO are the best groung rules.

BUT..the proof will be in the 16 year old mature puddings...

Watch this space....

I find being a grandma harder than being a parent though. Watching the mistakes made (that I can only see with hindsight) is heartwrenching. No doubt my mum felt the same because although I thought I was a good parent, looking back I can see that I wasn't as good as I thought at the time.

My kids turned out OK, fortunately, but I can now see the result of the things I didn't get quite right - but it's no good beating yourself up over things you can't change.

I didnt see this, but I did watch the last series - Mr Q and I need something to focus on so that we realise that Jade and Lewie are little angels compared to these monsters!!!!

We have had problems with Jade over the last 18 months or so, she has been a nightmare, and I personally feel that many of the problems stem from her and Lewie not having enough discipline in the past - their Mum spoilt them rotten and gave in to everything (Mr Q was working abroad for several years as they were growing up), always putting the kids 1st, to the point that the kids live with us because she couldnt cope with the monsters she created......

I would like to point out that both of them would NEVER speak to me and their Dad in the way they do their Mum........which I think is a disgrace!

I dont think that children should have to suffer from violent abuse, but I think that sometimes a smack on the back of the hand for a small child as a no, or a slap on the back of the legs or face on an older child is perfectly acceptable - it never did ME any harm.......at least I grew up KNOWING what is right and wrong and not an anti social feckwit who thinks the world owes me a living and revolves around me!

Queeenie - interesting points. I am in no way 'anti-smacking' and both my children have felt my hand at some point in their lives. But it is absolutely my last resort.

But these lot may well have benefitted from a firmer hand in the past [and not necessarily phsyical], it certainly seems like their parents have allowed them to 'be free' or 'rule the roost'.

My nephew is a bit like those kids 'out of control' although he is now 20 yrs - my sister did not beleive in toy guns, tv, smacking, she was mega into alternative 'everything' including childcare - and it just did not work with her son. He is now a tearaway with potential - which is worse than a tearaway without!!

I have always thought my eldest was a nightmare - but goodness after one programme of Brat Camp - I can see that he is a thoughful, funny, independant, caring and helpful teenager, who loves his Mum despite his cups of tea [made specially for me without being asked] being like pond water.:wub:

I absolutely loved the programme last time and only watched this one last night as we taped it... I have been thinking so much about it that I dreamt about it last night!! I dreamt I was there and had snuck cigarettes in!

I thought the rules were a little petty, but Im sure there are reasons. I also thought the people were a little rough handed with the girls. They may be ill behaved and lacking in discipline, but they are still human and still need love.

Looking back on my own past, I was very rebellious when I was a teenager and was always getting myself into trouble at school then getting involved in all sorts of dodgy activities, but I wasn't so completely disrespectful to my parents. I would have felt the back of my fathers hand in an instant. They did try everything with me, grounding me for months on end... etc etc. My dad was very strict and my brother has never placed a foot out of line. Personally I think it is the strictness that made me want to rebel.

I hope they all sort themselves out!! I didn't like the girl Xanthe, so arrogant. As for the spoilt little rich girl!

Im really looking forward to the next episode!!

:argue: Im seriously looking forward to tonights episode! :funky:

Once again this was great tv. The boys seem to be knuckling under quicker and more dillegently than the girls - I am not sure if this is they have cottoned on quicker to the rewards to be gained, or is it that they really don't like their behaviour and WANT to change?? I don't know but the girls as a whole seem to be a stubborn set of spoilt and precocious madams.

I loved the bit when one of the girls sent a letter home bleating onto Mummy, that she had laid awake at night in tears [over the past fortnight] wanting to come home, promising her Mum she would change, she would not be naughty or disrespectful etc etc etc. And Mum and Dad read the letter out loud and the Mum said 'I am quite angry about that - does she not realise that I have lain awake in tears for years and years because of her behaviour - nope she can stay there'.:laugh:

Oh and I also love the no swearing rule - the chap who rund the place is it Stinson? calls them 'disrespectful pups' and says doggy doo - which are lovely words to describe naughty children and poo. There is no need to swear - i am going to try giving up swearing for Lent.

Loved it all - the only thing I wasn't sure of was making the girl dye her hair back to brown (which actually didn't seem to work very well anyway). I thought this was quite pointless. If they had shaved all the boys' heads and cropped all the girls' hair to the same length then I might have thought it was making a point of taking away their individuality, but to single out one girl to have her hair dyed seemed a bit OTT.

This is only my analytical side talking, my human side is saying - yeah bring the little minx down to size any way you can :)

Yes I do agree about the hair, there is no way I would have let them. I am stubborn as a mule and would not let them shout at me. If that man shouted at me, I would have spat in his face! I thought the cowboy guy was the best, the ex police officer was a bit aggressive at times but also quite clued up at times.

Although this is good and Im looking forward to next weeks one, I definately preferred last years one, this seems more like torture than help. Last years one it was a little torturous but they travelled around and didn't have silly rules, just normal rules.

Just one more thing.... those used applicator parts of a tampon all in the bin next to the girls bed! :pooh: That was absolutely disgusting and I blame the parents for that. My parents wouldn't have had it. We had a maid, so I'd be off to school and back to a spotless room. If my room was really bad, my dad would tell the maid not to tidy my room and I would have to do it first thing when I got home. There was no way my room would look like that. Her mum seemed to think it was a joke that her boyfriends boxer shorts were in the middle of the passage! :bangin:

Oooh a Maid Claire - you must be Posh, lol. Yeah the tampon thing was "Yuk" and I couldn't get to grips with that. But then in my day those sort of things were hushed up and I went to great lengths to keep it secret and personal. Nowadays, when you get adverts on the TV for this stuff, is it any wonder that the kids don't seem to think twice about it.

I didn't see the last series so I wonder if these tactics really work or do they just go home and think "Whoooohooooo - back to a life of leisure and luxury"!
I did catch one girl on Richard and Judy and they were saying that life with her was a lot better now but was that just a one-off or did they all come back changed characters I wonder. Be interesting to see the follow-up.

Could anyone who saw the last series let me know what the success rate was please? They must either see the error of their ways or they just go back to being as obnoxious as before because there is no deterrent really. If they slip back to their old ways they would never get on that plane again - wild horses wouldn't drag them I reckon!

A lot of them (especially one male in particular) were changed people when they got home. I have just bought a mag ("Closer") where there's an interview with one of the girls in this series. Alex I think. She's a different person.

In the last series, it was like camping out in the wild for 3 months, in the snow and in the heat. They all had their heavy back packs to carry, learnt how to make fires, etc. ,pretty much learnt how to live in the wild.

I recorded Brat camp and just watched it now. Did anybody watch it last night? It had me in tears when Xanthe and her mum spoke to the counsellor and when the blonde boy spoke about his father dying.

It just goes to show how much families splitting up in some way actually affect children.

For me that was really deep.

Oh No! I think I must have missed one. What day is it on please? I scanned the TV guide on the computer and didn't see it advertised anywhere. Makes mental note to buy a TV Guide every week.

Its on Tuesday evenings! I would send you the tape but we recorded it on Sky plus. It was really excellent... Watch the next one..

What I was interested in was the fact that Ed - the young blonde boy, siad he felt ashamed that his father had died when he was just a young boy. It was very moving - and I suspect this really helped him [the session the counsellor devised]. But what an odd emotion to feel - shame?? Can anyone explain this to me?

I got quite cross at Joe mind you! Acting all holier than thou when his Mum was around and then admitting that it was an act - how can she actually ever trust him when she sees this?? Silly boy.

I am beginning to develop a real soft spot for Jenni - the one who was given streak the horse - I don't know why, it is almost as though she is emotionally underdeveloped - she really does act like a very naughty 3 year old. But a soft spot is developing. The same cannot be said for the prissy stuck up miss. What's her name is it Gemma - who is just evil and manipulative and SPOILT with a capital S. She is one little madam who I could quite happily slap silly.

Yes Flip it also surprised me that the little boy was "ashamed" that his dad had died. I was in tears I just couldn't handle it, and so was everybody else in the group it looked like.

When that girl said about her mum being her best friend and everybody mocking her because she said her mum was her best friend, I was also crying. I never thought it would be so deep.

Yes I understand what you mean about Jenny, the manipulative childlike flirtatious charm is very transparent to most. She is only a person at the end of the day, and that is obvioiusly how she has gotten her way in the past with her parents. I was equally annoyed with the tall guy for taking the mick out of his mum like that. She was so happy.

I'm not sure whether these are the right conditions to get confessions out of the children. After all it is in their own interests to respond to the questioning with a deep statement that leads to high emotions if this is seen as a stepping stone on the way to their release.

I'm not saying they didn't feel what they said was true, but there may be more or much deeper rooted reasons for their behaviour which will only come out when they feel more comfortable.

I do actually think that Turnabout is doing the majority of the kids some good. Jennie being the exception.

These people are experienced people and I can see the value of hard hard work and rules - it teaches these kids, who have lived with out consistency or boundaries, that life is not about them, that life is more than one small peice in the jigsaw [them].

I got quite upset at Joe last night, not at him, but at his reunion with his parents, particulary his Dad - it was like they bonded all over again.