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Cockney
04-02-2005, 02:17 PM
Do you think that confrontational poster make for more interesting treads

yes i do

I do I love the challenge and the banter

Isis
04-02-2005, 02:20 PM
dunno about confrontational, I dont intend to be confrontational with my views, but I guess they could be seen as that.......

I wouldnt want to offend or upset someone deliberately, but I agree that its good when we dont all agree on things, I also like to hear the oppsosite view of mine, and occasionally it gives me something to think about.....

tigger
04-02-2005, 02:25 PM
Depends on what is meant by confrontational. Are you talking about someone who just has differing points of view and voices them, or are you talking about a bully?

If it's just someone who has differing points of view, then great. People like that do make an mb more interesting. But I have no time for those that just use the term confrontational as a guise for bullying.

Ceridwen
04-02-2005, 02:25 PM
Depends on whether they are called Woodstock :laugh:

floopy
04-02-2005, 02:26 PM
I do, I must admit to getting a bit of a thrill when I see a reply to something I've said that isn't quite as "nice" as perhaps it could have been. But that only works if the person replying is intelligent and can make a good argument, like Blink, say, in the religion thread.

Name calling isn't really my thing, it's a bit dull.

I do reserve the right to pull a halfwit to bits, though, if I think they're a total tosser.

Ceridwen
04-02-2005, 02:31 PM
I can't really be arsed if I think someone is being confrontational/controversial just to get a reaction, rather than because they have something intelligent to say.

And the "I am right because I say I am" thing is pretty wearing too.

Cockney
04-02-2005, 02:38 PM
Yes very good but what about voting

But from what I just read it’s a yes

No one likes a bully I just think that if you argue you have to take up a contrary position

Floopy sometimes a mild insult can throw the opposition off there flow

I like it so I think we should not be two hard on people when they get carried way

tigger
04-02-2005, 02:41 PM
As for the voting, I voted no.

Buzz
04-02-2005, 02:44 PM
And the "I am right because I say I am" thing is pretty wearing too

This is usually an idiots last argument ceri.... usually just before they stamp their feet and wave their fists about launching all their toys out of the pram, and always because they cannot think of an intelligent response. IMHO anyway.

floopy
04-02-2005, 02:44 PM
I like it so I think we should not be too hard on people when they get carried way
Hmm, if that person does actually regret causing any offence or upset, then for sure, but if they continue in the same offensive manner, then they must be prepared to take whatever flak comes their way.

btw, this is a general post, not about any one individual.

Cockney
04-02-2005, 02:47 PM
As for the voting, I voted no.
You are entitled to your opinion but why is that?

Is because you are a fulffy little bunny cos I love them
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claire
04-02-2005, 03:30 PM
If you give it then you have to be prepared to take it.

If somebody does not give it then leave them alone.

For example: My hubby gives it, he always stands up for himself, is very assertive and is always taking the p_ss out of his friends. They all give as good as they get. He can take it though, comments don't usually upset him.

I don't enjoy confrontation. If its banter - I usually don't realise, so it upsets me. I therefore try not to give it.

To be honest, I prefer a friendly and respectful conversation. It doesn't have to be nasty to be fun either. There is a line that can be crossed.

tigger
04-02-2005, 04:21 PM
[QUOTE=Cockney]You are entitled to your opinion but why is that?

Is because you are a fulffy little bunny cos I love them


LOL not so sure about the fluffy bunny thing.

I voted no because self opinionated confrontational people are just that, and I do not like confrontations in the slightest and tend to shy back from confrontational people. That does not say though that I shy back from challenging people and their views, there is a difference. If someone is being deliberately provocative then I will choose to avoid, and IMO self-opinionated people are provocative.

Dolores
04-02-2005, 05:26 PM
I voted "maybe" cos some times it is quite interesting to read posts that deliberately provoke! (should I be ashamed for admitting that!!!).

But I do hate the bullying, goading type of poster who wont let things lie. I'm quite sure in real life they aren't always like that. I mean it's much easier to over analyse the written word than the spoken word imo.

One often thinks that a lot more thought and "design" has gone into the written word, which I would say isn't always the case. Some posters do shoot straight from the hip whilst typing without meaning any offence, but intonation and humour in words are not always easy to define.

Sometimes I feel I may have overstepped the mark with certain flip or glib comments, but that is rarely my intention (although I'd be a liar if I said "never"!!!).

It's the type of poster that thinks and thinks very hard of how to deliberately offend or upset a poster (and in my experience they have deliberately picked out certain posters for this "honour", whilst ignoring others who could similarly be "picked on" if the pickee was so inclined.

Have I made myself clear! I am on my second extremely large vodka!

Cat
04-02-2005, 05:46 PM
Have I missed something?

Flip
04-02-2005, 05:59 PM
Like Dol - I voted maybe. Sometimes I think it is necessary to question a post, not because you want to be confrontational - but maybe you don't understand, maybe you disagree and need clarification or maybe it just doesn't make sense.

But to be obviously and overtly confrontational for the sheer hell of it, for bullying purposes, superiority purposes, for arrogance purposes I find distasteful and cringeworthy. I don't like it one bit.

I do enjoy a 'healthy' debate - part of which I do like to partake in, if I feel strongly enough about something. Other times I do like to read them. And I think we would be all hard pressed to say that some of our long running debates on here - that have remained healthy, mutually disagreeable, intelligent and fun - have been some of the best and most worthy threads here?

The fun aspect of mud-slinging here - is obvious for what it is and this is nothing but fun and banter - nothing offensive and nothing distasteful -just witty minds flinging muck back and forth.

claire
04-02-2005, 06:03 PM
Like Dol - I voted maybe. Sometimes I think it is necessary to question a post, not because you want to be confrontational - but maybe you don't understand, maybe you disagree and need clarification or maybe it just doesn't make sense.

But to be obviously and overtly confrontational for the sheer hell of it, for bullying purposes, superiority purposes, for arrogance purposes I find distasteful and cringeworthy. I don't like it one bit.

I do enjoy a 'healthy' debate - part of which I do like to partake in, if I feel strongly enough about something. Other times I do like to read them. And I think we would be all hard pressed to say that some of our long running debates on here - that have remained healthy, mutually disagreeable, intelligent and fun - have been some of the best and most worthy threads here?

The fun aspect of mud-slinging here - is obvious for what it is and this is nothing but fun and banter - nothing offensive and nothing distasteful -just witty minds flinging muck back and forth.

Now how do you always manage to put everything so perfectly??

Dolores
04-02-2005, 06:06 PM
Now how do you always manage to put everything so perfectly??
because she's tee total! :)

Slipper
04-02-2005, 11:59 PM
What a load of Bollox.......................


:p

Dolores
05-02-2005, 12:08 AM
What a load of Bollox.......................


:p
i think the next poll should be:

are slipper's opinions well thought out....

1. yes
2. no
3. who's slipper?

Nox
05-02-2005, 12:35 AM
[QUOTE=Cockney]Do you think that confrontational poster make for more interesting treads
{/QUOTE]

I can never decide between plain unadulterated wood or thick lush carpeting. Both make intersting treads in their own right. A natural timber staircase can look good in the right setting, but the dust shows and they become scratched with constand wear and tear. Carpeted treads may look more opulent and have the advantage of feeling comfortable and warm to the naked foot on a cold dank morning, but if you should spill something on them, they might not be as easy to clean as your natural timber.
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dab
05-02-2005, 01:18 AM
I voted no (once I'd finished smiling at Nox's contribution) because "self-opinionated confrontational poster" is often a euphemism for "******".

Ceridwen
05-02-2005, 10:02 AM
I voted no (once I'd finished smiling at Nox's contribution) because "self-opinionated confrontational poster" is often a euphemism for "******".


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

PJ
05-02-2005, 01:01 PM
LOL Dab!

It's always good to have a wee bit of a debate but some people are just so self-righteous to the extreme and it gets a bit tiresome and I hate people who try and cause confrontation with almost every one of their posts.
So I voted "maybe"

Woodstock
05-02-2005, 01:47 PM
....thanks Cockney..

karenh
06-02-2005, 05:17 PM
I've voted for "maybe" because that is the options which best fits (although not perfectly) my opinion.

I like a "controntational" aspect in a poster. Its the "self-opinionated" bit that often winds me up. It is possible to be controntational without being self-opinionated! But whilst a person may be controntational and not self-opinionated, it is rare to find a self-opinionated person who is not confrontational about their views! I think this sometimes causes confusion about the two-traits and means they are regarded as being part of the same thing. Self-opinionated people are often egotistical, self righteous, buffoons. Confrontational people will often merely argue an opposing point or challenge an injustice. But when the two trait cross, you will sometimes get a bully.

I find that differing views make a more interesting debate, and I see nothing wrong with confronting a viewpoint that is different from your own. But, that takes confrontation! However, if you are not prepared to be persuaded that your own viewpoint might be shaky - and especially if you get stroppy about it - then you are a self-opinionated t0sser and should not have entered into discussion on the subject in the first place.

In fact, I can think of nothing more dull than a discussion forum without confrontation. Without it, you are left with a bunch of threads with everyone saying "Yes - I agree. Of course, you are right". Zzzzzzzz

However, by the same token I can think of few things more frustrating than a self-opinionated poster who refuses to concede that their opinion is anything other than perfect and reacts as if every opposing opinion is imbecilic and not worthy of reply.

In short, confrontation = good. Self-opinionated = w*&ker (especially when coupled with judgementalism and/or self-righteousness). But the two do not necessarily go hand in hand.

Slipper
07-02-2005, 11:58 AM
Self-opinionated = w*&ker ................( But the two do not necessarily go hand in hand.

Shouldn't than be self-abusing??

I think wan£ing hand in hand is just unnessecary boasting!!

Cockney
08-03-2005, 09:34 AM
Karenh Could you have not just said yes?





I am going to start this up again because I just started a thread where you can run for PM and so far there is only one poster with any Balls to try and take me on

We need confrontation in life

With out it we would just keep on telling each other how lovely we are

sometimes that’s nice but it can become very boring

Tell me how can you appreciate the day without the night

Bonsai
08-03-2005, 09:36 AM
You are lovely Cockney :heart:

Cockney
08-03-2005, 09:59 AM
Thank you Bonsai thats very nice of you http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_1_20.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm22755GB)

karenh
08-03-2005, 12:24 PM
Karenh Could you have not just said yes?

Yeah I could have, but I chose to post more.

If it bothers you don't read it. I don't read half of what you write.

Cockney
08-03-2005, 12:31 PM
Yeah I could have, but I chose to post more.

If it bothers you don't read it. I don't read half of what you write.

Sorry did I touch a nerve
I was only a joke Karenh keep your knickers on




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