Has anybody been keeping up with the story thats been in all the press the last few weeks. I wasn't particularly interested, but seeing as it is in every magazine I buy, yesterday I had a proper read of an article. I know most of it is usually rubbish, they may have a sentance of factual information and just expand on it and make up the rest of the article.

Yesterday I just got thinking. I had a relationship with a guy for about a year and a half who sold drugs & was heavily into Crack (in South Africa Heroin isn't too rife so I don't know much about the stuff). I know from personal experience that Crack is really addictive. Later I fell pregnant with his kid. Reading this article really made me think of him. Full of promises and dreams. I moved to the UK when I was unknowingly 3 months pregnant (innitially for a holiday but ended up staying). I came off drugs when I found out I was pregnant. He would write me pages and pages of letters telling me how much he loved me and wanted to be a family etc. wanted to marry me and would do anything to make this work with the baby. He wanted to be a good dad and was going to stop selling drugs, come off the drugs. He got arrested and then had to carry on selling to pay for the stuff the police had confiscated. Then he got arrested again. It was just one long roller coaster full of lies, broken promises and no matter what, he just didn't seem to be able to pull himself out of it. I paid £1500 for him to go to rehab, he started taking drugs again after 1 month. When I went over my son was only 5 months old, the first night he saw him, after I left his place, he spent the whole night smoking crack with a friend. He only admitted this to me later, but I knew. This is the first day he'd seen his kid, after all his promises.

I got together with my husband (who I'd known for a while) when my son was about 9 months old and I have since married, and am very happy. I don't have anything to do with my ex, but get reports from friends every so often that he's still doing the same old thing.

I just wonder, why is it so impossible for some to give it up, even when they have a kid. This Pete Doherty has a kid he hardly see's. He's going to rehab, I wonder if he'll change?

What are your thoughts on this whole issue?

I have a mammoth reply for this - so will have to wait till I get home......

my initial thoughts on Pete Feckwit Doherty are GROW UP and take responsibility for your life you pathetic whinging creature - doing smack and crack is not big and its not clever - you only have to ask my 8 year old neice, whos Daddy died from a massive heroin overdose 4 years ago, the selfish b*st*rd couldnt stay clean for the sake of his daughter!

Kate has dumped him at last- according to the sun.

Link (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005071302,00.html)

but according to the mirror they are set to marry???

mirror link (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/tm_objectid=15187066%26method=full%26siteid=50143% 26headline=pete%2d%2dmy%2dsex%2dromps%2din%2dclini c%2dwith%2dkate-name_page.html)

I don't care what they do, as long as they do it quietly :wacko:

I don't care what they do, as long as they do it quietly :wacko:

Yes I suppose. Ordinarily I wouldn't care, but it is splashed all over, and I suppose I had a slight personal interest due to a slightly similar circumstance in the past.

I just have no interest in the lives of so called 'Celebrities' whether it is splashed all over or not! I just don't read it!

I just have no interest in the lives of so called 'Celebrities' whether it is splashed all over or not! I just don't read it!

OOOhhh i do *rubs hands in glee*. I love a bit of celeb gossip :laugh: :devil:

OOOhhh i do *rubs hands in glee*. I love a bit of celeb gossip :laugh: :devil:


You are our resident Celebrity expert Bonnie :laugh:

Looking at photos of his vile, pasty, sweaty face with hands covered in track marks is bad enough but then to hear him whining on and on about how awful prison was (he spent a monumental FOUR days in there), and how much he wants babies with Kate Moss cos she's his souuuuuulllllll maaaaaaaaaate all the time probably sitting around in soiled underpants without realising it as he is so off his head, is really doing my head in.

He is a deluded, whining, waste of space who hardly sees the kid he has with another woman, without telling the world he would like to breed more to "prove his love" in the only way a true chav can.

All I can say is that Kate Moss obviously likes a bit of rough, but even he was too rough and out of control for her.....

No doubt he will blame a return to drugs with a vengeance on Kate - rather than his own lack of self control and over indulgence.

All I can say is that Kate Moss obviously likes a bit of rough, but even he was too rough and out of control for her.....

Dear old Kate likes publicity alot too!

Johnny Depp had a narrow escape there!



....and who the F is Pete Doherty - anyone ever hear of him before all this? I hadn't - what's his music like, who are his band .... and isn't he like Kenzie's older and skankier big brother?

You have hit the nail on the head Pandora! The picture you paint is very accurate!

What you have asked is why is it impossible for some people to give up hard drugs - I suppose the answer is because the drugs are addictive.

What you have asked is why is it impossible for some people to give up hard drugs - I suppose the answer is because the drugs are addictive.


Yes but some overcome it.

Yes, they do.

Yes but some overcome it.
It is my experience that something has happened in the drug users life that triggers the drug use......for instance, the breakdown of parents marriage, death of a parent/grandparent/sibling, abuse (sexual or physical), an existing mental health problem that has gone un-diagnosed.......many things....

but the root of it is, whatever has happened, they use the drug to blot out the pain, for instance heroin (but you can include crack, cocaine, amphetamines, alcohol etc), which is an opiate based drug - ie a very strong pain killer, as soon as they stop taking the heroin, real life hits them and all the memories come flooding back, so its a vicious circle, they cant cope with reality, they become awash with guilt for succumbing to the drug, that they take more to relive the pain again, to make it all "go away"......

so the getting clean bit is just a small part of an addict becoming clean..... staying clean is the hardest bit, (its common for it to take 7+ attempts to detox from heroin) you need to get to the root of the problem and treat that as well as the addiction, and IMHO this is where the government funded treatments fail addicts, they just dont have the funding available for the proper after care.......

but it DOES happen, I have several friends that have come through the other side and now have great lives......but I have also lost a few friends along the way, and Im sure there will be many more :sad: