Why is there so much evil in the world
is because there is so much more good


When I was young my father was teaching me how to lay bricks

We where building a garden wall

When I got to I got to the middle of the wall the centre brick did not fit, so I got my hammer and hit it in to place

My Dad looked at me and said "now the corner will be out of plum"

I took my level and he was right

You see he said “when you force something in you force something out”



You see unknowingly he knew one of the laws of the universe
in that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction


Cause and effect plus and minus positive and negative good and evil

Black and white night and day ying and yang



We see in nature that when the balance becomes unequal nature moves haven and earth to correct it



So here is the question
could it be that the more good we become
the more evil the bad people in the world have to become to restore the balance?

Cockney what an insightful and though-provoking question - and your Dad sounds lush!!

Technically and theoretically this makes sense. You are right this is a fundemental theory of our existence in the 'large object' world! [I will come back to this in a mo].

But imagine if this were true, we would have to have a finite amount of good and a finite amount of evil, and if the scales were tipped in either direction then the balance would have to be re-addressed in eithers favour. And again if this theory is true - then it is IMO a sad indictment of our existence. ie I have had my fair share of good today I have now run out and therefore must be evil till teatime at least!!

There is the theory of 'small objects' however - Quantum Physics [Chaos theory] which in lay mans terms - postulates the unpredictability of the universe in mini mini miniture. And although I do sturggle to get to grips with quantum phsyics - if its function is to theorise on unpredictability, then as far as good and evil are concerned then I would rather go with this one.

Oooh yeah, it's a brilliant question Cockney :)

Hummm, well I suppose that I have always felt that my good fortune over the last 15 years or so make up for the fist very unhappy 16 years of my life, although I'll admit it's not a very rational perspective! But it doesn't really bare close scrutiny and I'd have to conceed to Flip that things are not as ordered as that and randomness is probably the order of the world.

The other question this brings in my mind is, if this is true and there is evil in the world to balance out the good then this would indicate that some people are born evil and some are born good, and that's a bit of a step too far for me.

It's a very interesting subject and I'm not doing it justice here, I'm gonna go away and mull it over and get back to you.

I love threads like this!

But imagine if this were true, we would have to have a finite amount of good and a finite amount of evil..

But then again, there are only a finite number of atoms in the universe. The atoms that make up day to day objects in our lives are the same atoms that have been around since the beginning of time, and which will be around until whatever happens happens.

So, in actual fact, it is quite possible that there is a finite number of everything.

Ok that’s good stuff from all of you let me see

Chaos theory a butterfly flaps its wings in the jungle and moves the air and because of cause and affect there is a hurricane some where



Everything is linked the domino affect



Finite amount of atoms yes but matter and energy are two different things

If there is a finite amount of mater there has to be a finite amount of energy because energy is created when mater is destroyed



Our minds work on electrical impulses in the brain which is energy



Wait I am getting there



The universe is made up of mater but scientist have calculated there is not enough of it

In fact only enough for half that say that the rest is made up of dark matter which we can not see



What if the energy in your brain was created from the destruction of matter you are good

But if it comes from the destruction of dark matter you are bad?

The sun dos not always shine

I wonder what heaven is like? Is it possible to have a place that is all good, and where there is no evil?

What a fab question - like Voice I need to do this justice, so will be back! But in the meantime, isn't there an element in all of this as to how we perceive good and bad?

How do we know if good is 'good' and bad is 'bad'? We decide now based on current mores and beliefs, but in the past the perceptions of good and bad were different.

Also depends on what side you are on - especially if you bring religion into it (was the WTO an act of evil against humanity, or an act of brave martyrdom for the longer term well-being of mankind; were the crusades a noble cause against the 'infidel', or were they nothing more than another bloodbath)

(Last cigarette smoked, so am rambling now...)

I wonder what heaven is like? Is it possible to have a place that is all good, and where there is no evil?

If there is then there is a hell

What a fab question - like Voice I need to do this justice, so will be back! But in the meantime, isn't there an element in all of this as to how we perceive good and bad?

How do we know if good is 'good' and bad is 'bad'? We decide now based on current mores and beliefs, but in the past the perceptions of good and bad were different.

Also depends on what side you are on - especially if you bring religion into it (was the WTO an act of evil against humanity, or an act of brave martyrdom for the longer term well-being of mankind; were the crusades a noble cause against the 'infidel', or were they nothing more than another bloodbath)

(Last cigarette smoked, so am rambling now...)

I get your point



But you have to look beyond names (I wanted to put exta sten sur lisum but I could not spell it)



Good and evil are terms like black and white… light and dark you can't define dark you can’t define light

Dark is the absents of light is the best you can do

Evil is the absents of good must be the only true definition

But they must therefore exist with or with out us

But Cockney, who is to say what is 'good' (whatever you call it)?

If I was a chicken, I'd say fox-hunting was pretty damn good, but if I were a fox, then I'd think it pretty evil.

Which is right? And why?



(PS I am a fox BTW :naughty:

Everything is relative to the position from which you observe it including time

I've got a couple of thoughts about this. The first is not so much to do with being good, more to do with thinking you are. I've noticed that people who can't accept that they're as bad as the rest of us, the ones who put on an air of smug superiority, are the ones that seem to need scapegoats - and will often be openly critical of minority groups, such as asylum seekers, gypsies etc, in other words they seem to need to see evil somewhere to make up for their own I-am-better-than-the-rest belief. (The Daily Mail syndrome.)

The other thing is

especially if you bring religion into it

If you embrace the idea of an all good God, you have to invent Satan to heap all the evil onto.

if this is true and there is evil in the world to balance out the good then this would indicate that some people are born evil and some are born good, and that's a bit of a step too far for me.

Aren't there some people, like psychopathic killers, who have what we'd call an evil nature? I wonder if you can be born that way.

Aren't there some people, like psychopathic killers, who have what we'd call an evil nature? I wonder if you can be born that way.

Wasn't there a study a wee while ago claiming that evil is in the genes - I remember reading that some guy stated that it was because his great-grandfather had evil in him that it had been passed to him. Well, that's the excuse he gave for his crimes.

I don't know if there is any truth in that or if it is just simply the enviroment that you are brought up in.

Yes I think you are missing the point this is not a discussion about what is good and what is evil

I think that by what’s been said so far we can we agree that good and evil exist in a physical form?



If we can then like all other opposites in the universe the will always try to balance them self’s out

I'm not saying that! I 'm saying that good and evil only exist in our minds, based on the age/society we live in. Perceptions of good and evil are different depending on the environment around you.

So how does nature/the universe know what is 'good' and what is 'evil' in order to balance anything?

Yes I think you are missing the point this is not a discussion about what is good and what is evil

But surely if you're asking about good and evil it's worth deciding what you mean by it?

I think that by what’s been said so far we can we agree that good and evil exist in a physical form?

I don't think we can.

But surely if you're asking about good and evil it's worth deciding what you mean by it?


Not really mate threes good and there evil it’s all relative


This thread is about quantum physics

have you wandered in by mistake

Not really mate threes good and there evil it’s all relative


This thread is about quantum physics

have you wandered in by mistake

So what are you saying - that there are good atoms and there are bad atoms?

So what are you saying - that there are good atoms and there are bad atoms?

Yes that’s it

Sorry I was a bit snooty there I was only trying to be funny just a joke you know



In a previous post I said that energy comes from the destruction of matter

And my point was when dark matter is destroyed dos it create energy that could be called evil for want of a better word

Well, I don't really agree - it's like taking what we call beautiful and what we call ugly and saying it's all due to beautiful atoms and ugly atoms. Tell you what, I'll stick to the soft furnishings thread for the time being.

Well, I don't really agree - it's like taking what we call beautiful and what we call ugly and saying it's all due to beautiful atoms and ugly atoms. Tell you what, I'll stick to the soft furnishings thread for the time being.

Ok mate but I think you where on to something there

What makes us perceive things the way we do

Why do inherently Evil people see beauty in things that Good people find horrible?

And vice versa



You would think that with the way the world used to be that in these enlighten times there would be less evil in the world but there is just the same amount



Could it be that the more matter converted in to element A the more element B has to be created to maintain the balance

Well, I don't really agree - it's like taking what we call beautiful and what we call ugly and saying it's all due to beautiful atoms and ugly atoms. Tell you what, I'll stick to the soft furnishings thread for the time being.

But if there are people who are born good and people who are born evil, why can't there be good and bad atoms as well?

Incidentally (and sorry this is harking back a few pages) I would refute the idea of someone being born good or born evil, they may have tendencies, but I'm sure that there are many with psychopathic profiles who do not go on to murder, so there must be something in their environment/experience that makes the potential come to fruition.

Ok you have a point there

Would you agree that those that can’t tell right from wrong have an imbalance of chemicals in the brain?

But if there are people who are born good and people who are born evil, why can't there be good and bad atoms as well?


I think this depends on what quality you decide an atom has to have to make it good rather than bad, and how you would ever know if it has that quality or not.

Atoms are atoms.

One Hydrogen atom is identical to any other hydrogen atom, otherwise it would become a different element.

More complicated structures undoubtedly determine behaviour in intelligent creatures, but good and evil do not exist at atomic level.

I think this depends on what quality you decide an atom has to have to make it good rather than bad, and how you would ever know if it has that quality or not.

Not the atoms SV the energy released when that are destroyed

Your body dos it all the time it converts food in to energy electrical energy that makes your muscles work and your brain think

What if the energy that first formed the matrix of your brain when you where in your mother’s womb came form dark matter?

Atoms are atoms.

One Hydrogen atom is identical to any other hydrogen atom, otherwise it would become a different element.

More complicated structures undoubtedly determine behaviour in intelligent creatures, but good and evil do not exist at atomic level.

Very true but hydrogen atoms are not Dark matter

Dark matter doesn't actually exist, except in formulas that allow the the Universe to be explained by physicists who dont understand how the Universe works.

The question is would a mind created of dark matter think in the same way as a mind created of normal matter



Anyone kid the back



just trying to keep it light

What if the energy that first formed the matrix of your brain when you where in your mother’s womb came form dark matter?

But what if it was? Why would making it dark make it evil? Is it because you associate being dark with being evil?

Finite amount of atoms yes but matter and energy are two different things




The universe is made up of mater but scientist have calculated there is not enough of it




I think I would have to agree that there are a finite number of atoms that can neither be destroyed or made - they change. But and this is the big but, the world does not just contain atoms. It goes deeper than a plain old atom, one can pick up at the nearest atom shop.

This is where String Theory comes into its own - and that is that everything is made up of strings of energy. So even the largest atom shop in the whole wide world is not capable of selling strings - they are way toooo small and way toooo unpredictable and way tooooo random.

Therefore if good and evil [in any subjective view] is a string based concept it cannot follow the rules of relativity. Therefore in answer to the initial question -


could it be that the more good we become
the more evil the bad people in the world have to become to restore the balance?


NO!!

:smartie:

but good and evil are only relative form the point at which you observe them.


Frinstance, the suicide bombing to us is inherently evil, but to the bomber, they truly believe that what they are doing is a good thing.

So if that's the case, your bad energy would have to change to good energy dependant on what part of the world it was in.

Would you agree that those that can’t tell right from wrong have an imbalance of chemicals in the brain?

Hummm, well if they really do not know the difference at all then yes, they probably do have some form of altered neural functioning (be it chemical or physical) But if they just do not care, then that is different.

Energy is inherently neutral. Neither god nor bad. It just is.

What we do with it is another matter.

Dark matter doesn't actually exist, except in formulas that allow the the Universe to be explained by physicists who dont understand how the Universe works.

Not I can't see it so it don't exist

You can’t see gravity can you

You jump off a building and tell me it don’t exist

We can prove gravity exists.

Show me some proof of dark matter.

what did you all finsh your tea brake at the same time or what



Look stop thinking about good and evil or trying to define it



Think of it as a computer that runs on A/C electricity

And a computer that runs on D/C they are the same they look the same but they are different inside Ok

I dont drink tea, but if I did I wouldn't opt for brand with brakes on it.

I've just thought of a foolproof defence for Michael Jackson. It wasn't his fault your honour, it was the evil atoms that did it.

I dont drink tea, but if I did I wouldn't opt for brand with brakes on it.

I have pressed the hash key twice now nothings happened

No, I think it was definitely his predilection for young boys that made him do it.

Push the button!

Energy is inherently neutral. Neither god nor bad. It just is.

What we do with it is another matter.

You are right but we are not talking about what we do with it we are talking about what affects on organic material dos different types of energy have

LOL at the Tea Break!!!!

Look Cockles me old mucker I have answered the question - the answer is NO!!:D

I think physicists would dispute the concept of different types of energy.

But what if it was? Why would making it dark make it evil? Is it because you associate being dark with being evil?

am not that shallow

You can call pink matter with blue spots if you like

Its called Dark because

No scientist worth his PHD wanted to be the one to say anti matter and can't you blame them can you I just have and I bet the next ten post have a reference to star trek

Anti-matter doesn't exist either.

we are talking about what affects on organic material dos different types of energy have





It is organic material. This is what the String theroy debates, that all things are made up of strings of energy, ergo the 'theory of everything'.

I think physicists would dispute the concept of different types of energy.

Well we can't see dark matter so we can't see the energy realised by it either so how can you say its the same

Stop trying to say Dark matter don’t exist

It's like trying to state that a balloon half filled with water has nothing else in it because you can't see it

I am not saying I cant see it, I am saying that it has never actually been proven to exist.

It is used to fill the gaps in mathematical formulas where the formula otherwise wouldn't work and to excite science fiction entusiasts without an academic background.

Anti-matter doesn't exist either.

Maybe not between your ears

Maybe not between your ears

Or anywhere else in the Universe.

am not that shallow

You can call pink matter with blue spots if you like

Its called Dark because

No scientist worth his PHD wanted to be the one to say anti matter and can't you blame them can you I just have and I bet the next ten post have a reference to star trek



Well, hang on a minute, you have a theory that evil is the result of dark matter don't you? What I am asking is why dark matter rather than the ordinary stuff?

I am not saying I cant see it, I am saying that it has never actually been proven to exist.

It is used to fill the gaps in mathematical formulas where the formula otherwise wouldn't work and to excite science fiction entusiasts without an academic background.



They don't torture scientist any more for there theories

But they still love to berate them and discredit them if they don’t agree



The world is flat my friend

Well, hang on a minute, you have a theory that evil is the result of dark matter don't you? What I am asking is why dark matter rather than the ordinary stuff?

one of the laws of the universe
is that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction


Cause and effect plus and minus positive and negative
Black and white night and day ying and yang

one of the laws of the universe
is that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction




In physics, yes.

Ying and yang is more a Chinese philosophy based on belief rather than fact.

Cause and effect is more psychology.

In physics, yes.

Ying and yang is more a Chinese philosophy based on belief rather than fact.

Cause and effect is more psychology.


I bet you’ve got no mates



Look if I say its black are you going to just keep saying it white





Do you have some positive question?
or you just going to be the ying to my yang ?

I hardly think my social circle is of any relevance.

I'm merely trying to add a little science fact to your science fiction.

Please dont take offence, I'll keep my thoughts to myself on this matter in future.

Cockney what you are saying if I have it right is whether you call it yin and yang, good and evil, plus or minus, all opposites tend to balance out?

So if you create more good in the world there has to be a corresponding evil created - is that right?

If so, my view is that you can't actually create good or evil, it is always there, but what you can do is suppress good or evil.

In your yin and yang symbol, each half has a small dot of its opposite contained in it.

So the white side, if you want to call it good, has a dot of evil contained in it.

This suggests that nobody can be wholly good, there is always some evil inside. It is probably best to recognise that so the evil can be contained and perhaps the evil energy can be directed towards something useful.

I think the problem comes if you belive that you are wholly good - in that case the evil might come out in a bad way.

For instance take two opposing nations, each thinks it is wholly right (ie good), and as a result thinks the other one is wholly wrong (ie evil). What happens then is that the evil gets unleashed and they drop bombs on each other.

So in a way I think you are right but not entirely in the way you meant it. What I mean by that is if you deny the evil side in yourself, it will seek a balance by unleashing itself outside your control.

I hardly think my social circle is of any relevance.

I'm merely trying to add a little science fact to your science fiction.

Please dont take offence, I'll keep my thoughts to myself on this matter in future.

Don’t be like that I was quite enjoying it really



I just get a bit fed up with
it is it ain’t it is it ain’t it is well my dad says it aint
you know http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_1_121.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm22755GB)


I am sure you have lots of friends you have me for one

Why is there so much evil in the world

is because there is so much more good





When I was young my father was teaching me how to lay bricks

We where building a garden wall

When I got to I got to the middle of the wall the centre brick did not fit, so I got my hammer and hit it in to place

My Dad looked at me and said "now the corner will be out of plum"

I took my level and he was right

You see he said “when you force something in you force something out”



You see unknowingly he knew one of the laws of the universe
in that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction


Cause and effect plus and minus positive and negative good and evil

Black and white night and day ying and yang



We see in nature that when the balance becomes unequal nature moves haven and earth to correct it



So here is the question
could it be that the more good we become
the more evil the bad people in the world have to become to restore the balance?

As you well know if you fill the bath to the brim with water, then you jump in, the water will spill over.
We all have good and bad in us - you never did anything bad?
In every phase of life we build points, or lose them.
Personally i would rather do 'good' deeds now and not stop for recognition or thanks - it sort of comes naturally to counteract the 'bad' things i have done in the past.
Some cannot see that what they are doing is bad - not in this life anyway, that is the only way to understand the horrific things that man does to man.
Things even out in the end.
Just a little thought or kindness along the line means you are getting there, being nasty sometimes is unavoidable, sometimes enjoyable, but time changes things.

We are all at different stages, that is why some like running animals over deliberately and laughing afterwards, some do it accidentally and drive away, some spend their lives caring for those run over, all different - but everything balances in the end.
Don't be afraid to show compassion - it's just your time.

I'm a bit puzzled. Why should a moral concept require a physical manifestation?

Good and evil are fairly arbiratrary words which we define according to socilogical shifts, most of the time. Forty years ago, pretty much every homosexual in the western world would have been called "evil"; now this is rarely the case. The trouble is that you are using these same words "good" and "evil", which generally have a relative application and trying to apply them absolutely and universally.

To look at it another way, does evil actually exist outside of the mind of man? When a tsunami happens, that is a disaster, but is it "evil"? Do non-human animals have the capicity for evil, or do they simply reposnd to their conditioning, with no moral judgment? I would say that evil only exists in the heart of mankind, as a concept and as a reality. That is then translated into evil behaviour.

Perhaps our hearts contain "dark matter"? That would throw a few physicists theories out...

I'm a bit puzzled. Why should a moral concept require a physical manifestation?..

I agree with this. But I'd also offer an explanation as to why some people might think so, and that is we live in an age where the 'physical' is usually put first and foremost. For instance, the generally held belief that emotions are the result of chemical or electrical activity in the brain. As it happens that example is something I would personally question as it could just as well work the other way round - the electrical or chemical activity could be the result of an emotion rather than its cause.

So I don't hold with Cockney's assumptions here and in his otherthread that it all boils down to atoms and 'energy'.

"The only good thing is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."

It's all in the mind!

Good points

How about this



Why do some people like chillies and some don't



Everybody in my family drinks tea

I hate tea I only drink coffee



What I am trying to say is that people that have been evil sometimes come from backgrounds and environments that have been good and yet they are evil



Why some people are attracted to evil and some to good is my question

Could it be that they are destined to be evil

To maintain the balance in the great scheme of things

And what I am trying to say is that they are merely abstract concepts depending on your point of view.

As such, the quest for knowledge and understanding is good, the acceptance of ignorance is evil, but that would only be my point of view.

(Actually it was Socrates' point of view as well)