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Becks
09-03-2005, 04:37 PM
Watching the news today about the fact that they want to be able to lock people up without trial if they are suspected of terrorism.

Personally I beleive that if we let this happen we are ending democracy and giving into the terrorists. This country managed to cope all the way through the troubles in Northern Ireland - whats changed. Am especially unhappy with idea of letting policitians decide. It should be left to the courts.

Flip
09-03-2005, 04:58 PM
Absolutely Becks - prison without trial and jury and then conviction is communism of the worst sort.

A terrorist is a criminal as much as a theif is a criminal as a murderer is a criminal - all are entitled to a trial by jury.

I beleive, however, that the laws relating to holding and searching suspected terror suspects should and could be tightened, but this does not mean that they should be kept indefinitely without trial. Mind you having said that, some murderers, fraudsters, theives are kept up to 2 or 3 years without trial - whilst evidence is collected, collated and put before a court.

I am afraid that leaving things to the politicians is the worst idea I have ever heard of - yes they maybe pretty qualified in some field or other [the history of architecture for eg] hardly qualifies them to make decisions on law!! Politicians should stick to politics and lawyers/barristers/judges should stick to law.

Coastie
09-03-2005, 08:58 PM
Watching the news today about the fact that they want to be able to lock people up without trial if they are suspected of terrorism.

Personally I beleive that if we let this happen we are ending democracy and giving into the terrorists. This country managed to cope all the way through the troubles in Northern Ireland - whats changed. Am especially unhappy with idea of letting policitians decide. It should be left to the courts.

There is a bit of a difference in the mind set of the terrorists...the thing with the Irish terrorists is that they are not nearly as prepared to die for their cause......in light of this they are a little easier to catch before things go boom.....

The middle eastern terrorist is much more fanatical...they are much more willing to die for their cause as they are promised virgins in Allah land....in light of this they are much less predictable and much harder to stop once they are in motion.

For this reason the government feels the need to bring those in suspected of terrorism before they have chance to act....

My only concern is the length of time they can keep them whilst they investigate and the treatment suspect srecive whilst in custody....

I am concerned that the few individuals who flew off to the middle east at the start of the fighting (and are believed to be conected to Al Quaida or have at least expressed strong oppinions against our country) have been allowed back here...IMO they should be flown back to Iraq or tried for treason.

Isis
09-03-2005, 09:22 PM
Watching the news today about the fact that they want to be able to lock people up without trial if they are suspected of terrorism.

Personally I beleive that if we let this happen we are ending democracy and giving into the terrorists. This country managed to cope all the way through the troubles in Northern Ireland - whats changed. Am especially unhappy with idea of letting policitians decide. It should be left to the courts.

The big difference between the terrorists that we have now is that the IRA didnt strap themselves full of semtex and walk into a football stadium or shopping centre in the name of their God........NOT that I am in support of the IRA.........I have also witnessed 1st hand the vile and disgusting treatment of innocent people, who were judged on their religion and race - as an Irish Catholic growing up in the 70's at the height of the IRA bombing campaign on mainland Britain........

I think that if MI5 and MI6 have enough intelligence on certain individuals then the necessary action should be taken to protect the country......... we DO however, need to be able to differentiate between an innocent British Muslim, who are peaceful and law abiding citizens and an Islamic Fundamentalist, who hate and despise everything that the West stands for because they have been brainwashed by lunatics - which I feel that we the British are in danger of too if we arent careful!!!!!!

Becks
09-03-2005, 09:49 PM
The big difference between the terrorists that we have now is that the IRA didnt strap themselves full of semtex and walk into a football stadium or shopping centre in the name of their God........NOT that I am in support of the IRA.........I have also witnessed 1st hand the vile and disgusting treatment of innocent people, who were judged on their religion and race - as an Irish Catholic growing up in the 70's at the height of the IRA bombing campaign on mainland Britain........

I think that if MI5 and MI6 have enough intelligence on certain individuals then the necessary action should be taken to protect the country......... we DO however, need to be able to differentiate between an innocent British Muslim, who are peaceful and law abiding citizens and an Islamic Fundamentalist, who hate and despise everything that the West stands for because they have been brainwashed by lunatics - which I feel that we the British are in danger of too if we arent careful!!!!!!


But if MI5 and MI6 have enough intelligence surely we should find a way that this can be submitted to a court. I don't think this bill does it. I think its about the goverment trying to control the court system and eventually are freedoms.

Sep 11 was an awful event in history don't get me wrong, but this is not a regular event. I think it is just taking it a step to far.

Yes they should use there intelligence in court
but it is for the court to decide, they must be formally charged and have some idea of how long they can expect the process to take. If not what are society represents is broken.

Isis
09-03-2005, 09:57 PM
But if MI5 and MI6 have enough intelligence surely we should find a way that this can be submitted to a court. I don't think this bill does it. I think its about the goverment trying to control the court system and eventually are freedoms.

Sep 11 was an awful event in history don't get me wrong, but this is not a regular event. I think it is just taking it a step to far.

Yes they should use there intelligence in court
but it is for the court to decide, they must be formally charged and have some idea of how long they can expect the process to take. If not what are society represents is broken.

I totally agree with you Becks, personally I find it all a little distasteful using the threat of terrorism as a vote winner, but there you go, who am I to question the Government!

I thinks its diabolical, if the intelligence cant be used in court then how can they have a case - I certainly think that it should NOT be an MP who decides who is guilty of suspected terrorism, they live in cloud cuckoo land and are way far from reality, they only care about POWER and MONEY!!!