what the hell are they thinking puttin them through they aint got no x-factor they more like a church choir!

I don't get it either. They are bluddy awful and frankly have about as much chance of a career in the music industry as the Flying Pickets.

Kill them all now, that's what I say!! :laugh:

here here lol

Aww, Jonathan's way too pretty to kill. The very least you could do is stuff him and mount him.

Personally I like them. I admit I won't be rushing out to buy their CDs if they secure a deal, but in the context of the show, I think they are entertaining, amazing vocalists and something fresh and unique.

i really liked 2 to go i thought they were really talented was gutted when they went and coz i wasted half me credit texting for them pee's me off when that happens lol

I don't get it either. They are bluddy awful and frankly have about as much chance of a career in the music industry as the Flying Pickets.

Kill them all now, that's what I say!! :laugh:
OOOps i liked the Flying Pickets :ninja:

I like G4. Its not Pop Idol, but the X-factor. It would be good to get someone who can sell records in the classical section rather than pop ... and it has been proved time and time again on these kinds of shows that Pop doesnt work, with the exception of Will Young.

Tabby is the only decent one on there, but he needs his band back - he really isn't good enough on his own, not charismatic enough to carry off being a solo performer.

But he DOES have genuine star quality.

Is there any way that you can shorten your user name WWW ? Its just my screen is going squiffy :mellow:

Yes, mine is too - it doesn't seem to like long usernames!! :(

I have gone off their performances but hate saying it because they seem sooooo nice.

I'm with you Cat.

They seem like nice lads so I want to like them. But sadly I don't :sad:

I'd really like to see someone who would win this show and go on and be famous. I don't want another "Michelle McManus", who wins becuae the public like the character on the show, but who doesn't buy into them as a recoding artist. I think if G4 won this, it'd be because the public likethem, rather than like their music.

I think Rowetta (or possibly Steve) are the only ones that could have a chance of going on and making a successful career out of the show.

I'm with you Cat.

They seem like nice lads so I want to like them. But sadly I don't :sad:

I'd really like to see someone who would win this show and go on and be famous. I don't want another "Michelle McManus", who wins becuae the public like the character on the show, but who doesn't buy into them as a recoding artist. I think if G4 won this, it'd be because the public likethem, rather than like their music.

I think Rowetta (or possibly Steve) are the only ones that could have a chance of going on and making a successful career out of the show.

It got like this at the end of pop idol tho...with Marc being in the final...tho I had a thing about him too (I KNOW, I KNOW...YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING). Thought others much better had been dropped along the way.

Steve is the only one I would contemplate buying recordings of. But I wouldn't anyway as I never buy any CD's, I just oggle videos on MTV etc when the right song comes on.

what the hell are they thinking puttin them through they aint got no x-factor they more like a church choir!
Church choir, or no church choir, I beg to differ.

I think G4 are good. I wouldn't vote for them however, because Louis is making absolute muppets of them. They don't need the X-Factor to get a record contract - they have the x-factor at any rate. Good voices, hell, they've even got a fit lead singer. They've just been given terrible songs, but we know they can do better - remember Bohemian Rhapsody from the first auditions? That was rather brilliant, but since then, we've seen them murder Everybody Hurts, wrench the Oh Baby Babys from Britney's sweaty grasp and totally trash a classic Oasis song.

What's important is that they're something a bit different, i.e. they have something to offer. No one can deny their talent, they just need a bloody good manager and and even better stylist. However - I liked the suits. I definitely would.

I thank you.

cheerio!

I think Louis picked the wrong groups. They are good...but that's just it...good. He should have had one of the 2 young boy groups in his final 3 to get the younger votes. All 3 of his acts are ok...but compared to Tabby & Steve .... they get the younger peoples votes. I did like 2 to go and VWS, but from the beginning I knew they wouldn't win. The only reason G4 are still in is because of Jonathan. Well that's what I think anyway.

Sammy, love the use of kak lol. Only a few ppl here will understand why lol.

Chat soon.

Loadsa Squeaky Love,
Katie-Rae
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Well i was at work today and heard an announcement that g4 were goin to be performing live in lakeside shopping centre,so i thought to myself better go down and take a peek, and see if they were any good with out all the glitz and glamour of the studio,

Well the performance was ok but there were people there laughing at them and jeering at them "hit me baby one more time" which made me feel actually sorry for them, but sorry my opinion still reamins the same, dont think they have the x-factor and jonathan didnt look that good with out the make up and studio lights! :mellow:

dont think they have the x-factor and jonathan didnt look that good with out the make up and studio lights! :mellow:
I just don't get the appeal of preppy Jonathan - or maybe that's it, people like him cos his a little preppy school boy!

G4 are cack Sammy you are right there. I've never liked them.

I think Louis picked the wrong groups. They are good...but that's just it...good. He should have had one of the 2 young boy groups in his final 3 to get the younger votes.
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The boybands were dire. But as you say, had he put them through they would have got the tweenie vote, but equally, Louis would have been lambasted for failing to put through something original in favour of the easy vote. Knowing what a prat Louis is, it's a wonder he didn't go with that.

Another factor may have been the decline of the boyband which is in occurence - at least Louis has his finger on the pulse.

cheerio!

I just don't get the appeal of preppy Jonathan - or maybe that's it, people like him cos his a little preppy school boy!

G4 are cack Sammy you are right there. I've never liked them.

Oh Dolores, you make me so sad. People like him because he's yummy.

I've just been searching through the posts cause I remember Bella mentioning something about a band called Il Divo.(I think thats what they are called)

Well, If its the same band that has been on children in need tonight, Il Divo where much better than G4.

I so agree that Tabby is the best in there but that's my opinion :bye:

Tabby Rocks he is great! :wub:

I've just been searching through the posts cause I remember Bella mentioning something about a band called Il Divo.(I think thats what they are called)

Well, If its the same band that has been on children in need tonight, Il Divo where much better than G4.

Il Divo are Simon Cowell's signing and the similarity between them and G4 is not lost on him as you can tell from his comments regarding G4 every week. He's always ambivalent in his summing up of G4, not saying they're terrible but also not praising them. Remember, Cowell's record company will sign the winner and as he already has Il Divo he won't want a similar act now will he?

As for the Tabby 'phenomenon' he's just a watered down version of Peter from Fame Academy (who he? you ask - exactly!)

what the hell are they thinking puttin them through they aint got no x-factor they more like a church choir!


Ha Ha, i will enjoy seeing you eat your words if they win on Saturday :laugh: , i wanted Tabby to win, but i shall now vote for G4, as Steve is a bore !!!!!!!!!

Tabby Rocks he is great! :wub:

Here Here !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I feel sure the vote was rigged to ensure Simon's act can win the contest.

If steve had been pitted against Tabby he probably would have lost. But G4? No contest really is there?

PS. And doesn't the lead singer look like Les Dennis?

The thing I found strange about G4's rendition of Bohemian Rhapsody was that the blond singer (Johnathan is it?) is capable of hitting the sort of high notes that Sarah Brightman would be proud of as witness last week's performance where he hit that high note and held on and on to it.

So why, in Bohemian Rhapsody, did he sign the high notes in that sort of "nasal" mid-tone. It sounded all wrong somehow. A disappointing performance and I felt they could have done it better.

Once thing's for sure, whoever wins will sound a whole lot better after a recording studio session and a lot of editing :) Not many acts can sing live and pull it off.

I hate G4 so much. I really do not like that little blondie's voice at all and I hate the way halfway through every song they all start taking step by step towards the audience. It's pish! Pure concentrated pish!

I hate the way halfway through every song they all start taking step by step towards the audience.

:laugh: My family and I have been laughing at that for weeks, Peej. I'm reliably informed (by daughters who know these things) that it's a Louis Walsh boyband trademark. It wouldn't be so bad if they could get into bloody step.

And doesn't the lead singer look like Les Dennis?

And why hasn't anyone noticed that young Dennis from Eastenders is moonlighting?

LES DENIS!! OUR SURVEY SAY'S

DING

LOL I ARGEE,

Anyway G4 have no xfactor which is what the show is all about they could be very good on songs of praise or bbc radio sad fm or something out of the last 2 i think steve will win if not as it is fixed but to the fact he has something!

I agree. I really don't get what G4 are all about! :mad2: Tabby should have gone through. :sad: Personally i don't think any of the contestants left have the X Factor! :blink:
Joe Pasquale to win I'm a Celeb! :laugh:

Hehe Go Steve And Joe!!

I can tolerate G4 but as soon as that obnoxious,cheeky brat opens his mouth to speak,I really really want to slap him. :angry:

Yes, i agree. He is quite annoying!?! :laugh:

Well, im sorry to say BUT I LOVE G4. I soooo want them to win.

I never really liked Steve. I thought he was smarmy and cheesy and my thoughts on him (although i tried) havent changed.

Its amazing how many people are split down the middle with regards to Steve. Some people think he is 100% pure cheese like me, and others think he is just shy :unsure:

I so agree i did want Tabby to win but cause Tabby can't win i so want G4 2 win people say they wreck songs but i don't think they do and y is every1 being so evil they are just making their big break Give them chance!!

I can tolerate G4 but as soon as that obnoxious,cheeky brat opens his mouth to speak,I really really want to slap him. :angry:

Lol Slyv - I am going that way too! I really liked Jonathon to begin with but now he comes across as a Hooray Henry sort of guy. To be perfectly honest with you, anytime any one of them opens their mouth to speak, I am finding them rather irratating! And I think what got it for me was when he burst into tears over his mum who couldn't be at the show........................because she had the SNIFFLES!!!

And I think what got it for me was when he burst into tears over his mum who couldn't be at the show........................because she had the SNIFFLES!!!

OOOhhhh you're so heartless :laugh: :laugh:

I think G4's rendition of Radiohead's 'Creep' was extremely listenable, even Simon Cowell liked it, grudgingly. I would definitely have bought it had it been a single this xmas (and I hardly ever buy music nowadays, there is such -ahem - 'cack' around). G4 do have that certain factor, approaching 'wow'. On the other hand, as much as I have felt for Steve throughout the contest, I would not buy his record.

There are many theories floating around as to how he won. Even if you discount the vote rigging theories which are not proven, many posters on various internet forums have admitted to having voted for Steve after Sharon verbally attacked him, many who would not have voted otherwise; some who switched their votes from G4 to Steve, and multiple phone votes at that. I think this shows that it is the show's viewers who are mediocre as they have done both G4 and Steve a disservice. If you were an employer you would employ the person with the most skills and merit. The less able candidate would obviously be disappointed at first at not getting the job, but that will only last a short while; better than floundering in a job they are not equipped to do. I'm not saying though that Steve will not be up to it. Everyone who made it to the show had potential; he was just not the best.

It's clear that G4 had the greater talent here, and if they had won, there would not have been any suspicions of 'vote rigging' as there is no doubt as to their singing ability.

As someone said somewhere, I hope the great British public use their voting 'skills' more rationally when it comes to the general election. :cool2:

If you were an employer you would employ the person with the most skills and merit. As someone said somewhere, I hope the great British public use their voting 'skills' more rationally when it comes to the general election. :cool2:

The results are social proof thru the power of validation (voting) that Steve is the most marketable product. Remember, a record deal was on offer here....The people who voted are the consumers, supply and demand.....G4 appeals to a limited audience...........I'm so glad we're not adding to Louis Walsh's bank balance............. :laugh:

The results are social proof thru the power of validation (voting) that Steve is the most marketable product. Remember, a record deal was on offer here....The people who voted are the consumers, supply and demand.....G4 appeals to a limited audience...........I'm so glad we're not adding to Louis Walsh's bank balance............. :laugh:

Well, it's a very skewed 'social proof' as many, many posters on various forums have admitted they only voted for Steve after Sharon slated him, ie a sympathy vote, and multiple votes at that. So, if you voted ten times on your phone, does that mean you will buy ten of his singles? I don't think so.

Also, it isn't very good democracy to vote more than once (you can't do that in a general election - what a shock the under 18s are going to get when they come to vote first time in an election). :sad:

[QUOTE=noni]Also, it isn't very good democracy to vote more than once

Are we assuming it would only be Steve supporters who voted more than once? :devil:

[QUOTE=noni]Also, it isn't very good democracy to vote more than once

Are we assuming it would only be Steve supporters who voted more than once? :devil:

Of course not. But a greater element of the REASON for voting was not that they would BUY HIS RECORDS but simply to register a SYMPATHY vote. I TOO felt immensely sorry for him when that witch laid into him, and if it was not for the fact that I simply have no money to waste on expensive phone calls, in the heat of the moment (of sympathy for Steve) I too may have voted for him. It does not mean however that I would ever buy his record.

(though BTW I will buy G4's should they release one).

I wouldn't buy any of their records, none of them did much for me, but Steve sang from the heart. G4 can sing, but every song sounds the same, and I don't like opera.

Rapsody was grandieus!

I did like G4, but I wanted to "break" Sharon. Sorry boys from G4.

The results are social proof thru the power of validation (voting) that Steve is the most marketable product.
As marketable as... say... Michelle McManus, do you think? :blink:

Depends what anyone means by marketable. Personally I think Steve is the more marketable product in the short to medium term. He's good looking, he can sing in tune, and he will do a great job covering other people's songs. His first single will probably reach number one, his second one might make the top ten. After that unless he starts writing his own music and turns out to be a natural, or employs a good song writer, I reckon he won't be far behind Michelle McManus.

I'm sure there's not many people who loathe Steve's sound because he's easy to listen to. There's lots of Steves around, another will come along before you know it and his fans will move onto the next big thing. But G4 are a different kettle of fish. You either love them or loathe them - there's no middle ground with this style of music. G4 should be looking at a small but dedicated fan base who won't have that many opportunities to change allegiance (unless you count Il Divo of course). If they release a single it might do ok, but their market will be in album sales and I can see them having a much longer shelf life than Steve, albeit slower to get going.

what the hell are they thinking puttin them through they aint got no x-factor they more like a church choir!

Sammy you poor thing, you were obviously born tone deaf.

G4 much as I might critically view their level of skill. Being young and just out of the Royal Schools of Music, and now flush with their first runs of success having entered into the commercial world of music as opposed to that which would require a lifetime of dedication to the classics and the crafting of the art form of singing, deserved to get there 1.5 million contract. They had every right to be there, especially in the real world where opportunities for the gifted are few and far between.

I also look forward to the day when a talent show allows a greater variety of talent through - church choirs, classically trained, gospel groups, even barber shops should be entitled to become contestants not being exempt from entering. The world of music at the present time is very limited, song writers have forgotten how to write songs within the dominant forms and almost everything the charts today sounds very much the same.

Time for some choice of music to become available so that others like you can develop your sensory perception of audible sound! :devil:

Depends what anyone means by marketable. Personally I think Steve is the more marketable product in the short to medium term. He's good looking, he can sing in tune, and he will do a great job covering other people's songs. His first single will probably reach number one, his second one might make the top ten. After that unless he starts writing his own music and turns out to be a natural, or employs a good song writer, I reckon he won't be far behind Michelle McManus.

I'm sure there's not many people who loathe Steve's sound because he's easy to listen to. There's lots of Steves around, another will come along before you know it and his fans will move onto the next big thing. But G4 are a different kettle of fish. You either love them or loathe them - there's no middle ground with this style of music. G4 should be looking at a small but dedicated fan base who won't have that many opportunities to change allegiance (unless you count Il Divo of course). If they release a single it might do ok, but their market will be in album sales and I can see them having a much longer shelf life than Steve, albeit slower to get going.

Steve has unfortunately proved not to be commercial and marketable product, irregardless of how well he can croon and how well he gets into his pop falsetto voice. The thing is you are right there are an awful lot of Steve types around.

On the subject of G4 I personally know they have a future in what is known as contemporary classical and contemporary pop fields of musical expertise. This is the middle ground.

In terms of record sales the reverse is what will happen, as a result of having been in a televised talent show they have had all the exposure a band (albeit not pop) would need to establish themselves. This is where the talent show shines as it comes into millions of living rooms more than once a week. Can you imagine the problems an unknown band or singer has to get any exposure at all, it is incredibly difficult and at times soul destroying. in fact a great percentage of talented musicians, singers and artists will remain forever unknown, unheard and unsung for that very reason. Getting exposure, getting the contract is actually a privately funded business deal. The odds of getting it being very similar to winning the lottery.

G4 will therefore have successful album sales over the next 2 to 3 years and after that they will tick over just making enough to cover costs and a healthy standard of living. Until one or more of them go solo, becoming similar to Josh Groban - because unfortunately the heirarchy in the world of real classical music will sadly shun all of them. As they have done now to Russell Watson and a few others who have come along over the last decade. :smartie:

LES DENIS!! OUR SURVEY SAY'S

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LOL I ARGEE,

Anyway G4 have no xfactor which is what the show is all about they could be very good on songs of praise or bbc radio sad fm or something out of the last 2 i think steve will win if not as it is fixed but to the fact he has something!

OK Sammy,

It is perfectly alright to say that you don't like something when you hear it.

Although the majority of people tend to condemn things they can't do themselves, because there own level of talent is limited. Therefore, sometimes this is done and can be completely out of order, without giving anything a chance to grow.At this juncture I remember a student from many years ago being told to come back to study music when she'd learnt how to play it and appreciate it.

It is fine to say that you do not feel attracted to something when you see it.

Afterall, you might not like the look of your bank manager if he wore a pair jeans and a tea shirt to work, because his sense of dress is so very different to our own.

The programme is supposedly about finding the x factor, and whether it succeeds or not maybe we should define what it is.

The x factor, is a gift of exceptional ability normally from birth or it can raise itself at a very young age, development and progression refines itself to the point of manifestation as a talent, as opposed to the display of outward personality of an exhibitionist nature.

Here are two dated comparisons for you to think about.

The x factor Richard Clayderman possesses concerns his gift and skill at playing the piano. I make no apologies in knowing classical music may not be your forte it is mine. The x factor obvious from Liberace was also his piano playing exceptional gift. The outragious costumes, camp behaviour, and flamboyant manner in which he handled his audiences was part of the camouflage of his personality. Some would say stage charisma and star quality.He was without question of doubt very entertaining. (But in, actual fact it hid a very sad man who throughout his life feared illness, so much so that when given a false diagnosis pending fatality he gave all his wordly goods away.) Moreover, Richard Clayderman who has a much quieter demeanour about himself is still equally talented. Hence they both possess the gift of the X FACTOR.

After having read this you probably think I must be some stuck up classical music boffin. On that score you would be very wrong, some of my best friends are rockers, punk fans, jazz and blues musicians. To find out where I'm coming from you'd have to read some of my replies to others on the survivor website.

Maureen
Northern angel. :artist:

I wouldn't buy any of their records, none of them did much for me, but Steve sang from the heart. G4 can sing, but every song sounds the same, and I don't like opera.


...I don't understand that...Do you think Hit Me baby One More Time sounds like Nessun Dorma?...I somehow don't think it does...




...By the way...i do not like the title of this thread... :shocking: :wink2:

The results are social proof thru the power of validation (voting) that Steve is the most marketable product. Remember, a record deal was on offer here....The people who voted are the consumers, supply and demand.....G4 appeals to a limited audience...........I'm so glad we're not adding to Louis Walsh's bank balance............. :laugh:

Hello haggis

It is a short time ago since I expressed a view which related the show the x factor as being very similar to a medieval form of rough justice. Simon Cowell himself had admitted that it was like being the executioner and judge all in one. The results of any talent show that involves an unqualified vote from the so called viewing public does not automatically mean that 1 vote means 1 sale. The programme makers here are taking a big gamble that there investment will turn itself round and create a marketable product. However, should it fail, as indeed it has - 250.000 sales for Steve against 700.000 for G4 is proof that Steve was not the most marketable of end products.

On the brief subject of Louis Walsh's bank balance, I have been led to believe that his income, his business of music guidance & management brokerage with or without the X factor show is secure. Whoever won last year, is immaterial - they will add undoubtably to the bank balances of all 3 judges, programme makers, television sponsers who unwittingly finance so much in return for advertising time, the telephone companies, pr companies, and indeed a whole host of other television and music company executives. So much so that had Steve gone the struggling route of many musicians and performers he would at least secure a regular income as opposed to record company advances. In view of such dire sales Steve on being dropped could end up actually owing the record company money as the CD production floor has not been met. (Floor = minimal spend to produce and market an artist - Ceiling = maximum spend a company will make to produce and market an artist) :devil:

:devil: Did you therefore go out and buy 10 of Steve's CD's to cover for your block vote? MMM I doubt it! :ohmy:

In relation to G4 sales there next CD needs to sell at least 1.5 million sales and that is just over double to draw even with a fraction over for profit.
Whoever wins the x factor this year could well nail up the x factor programme, should it turn out like a repeat or worse than last year. :smartie:

Maureen
Northern Angel.