The jurors have reached a verdict and they're waiting for Michael to get to the court which is about 20 mins away, so we should hear something soon

Blimey, Bobski. Got me all excited there. Thought we had a result.

She's the queeen of suspense is that Bobster! :wacko:

God Lord Bobble - I thought we had a result!

No doubt we will have a result tomorrow [ish]??

They're all arriving at the court for the verdict, as we speak.

Yeah it's in, but they just haven't let us know yet!
latest news at 9.43pm is that they are running 15 mins late announcing it.
I bet the beeb are hanging about on the 10pm news as we speak.
Well I'll have to wait to find out as BB is on now

I keep checking out the bbc news web site but nothing as yet....

Good grief - I don't think I have ever been so anxious for a story to break??

Oooo eeeer:mellow:

I've just got onto the BBC website and are listening to live verdict via 5live

Not guilty on 5 counts of charges, more on the way.

Not guilty on 5 counts of charges, more on the way.

Ooooeer didn't expect that!!

I think that woman is running out of doves! :wacko:

Michael Jackson aquitted of all 10 charges, free to go now.

I am not surprised!

I think that woman is running out of doves! :wacko:

Oh just heard about that woman setting off those doves:w00t:

Flipping 'eck...they are having a laugh aren't they! :w00t:

The US justice system never ceases to amaze me...I just hope he at least gets some serious psychiatric help and isn't allowed with a million miles of any kids in the future! :mellow:

I'm not surprised either. :glare:

I feel a little overwhelmed because I am not surprised either!!

And I am cross because I shouldn't feel like this!!

well who didn't see that coming!

If I had any kids, I for one still wouldn't let them any where near him.

I agree with what you say PJ, I don't think I would let my kids near him.

He may be innocent, he may be guilty, nobody really knows. I just knew he wouldn't be found guilty, there just wasn't enough evidence.
I'm not saying he did anything, but I'm also not saying he didn't.
It's one of those things that we will never know what went on behind closed doors.

I was reading in the paper yesterday that the boy and his family didn't want to go to court initally, but the District attorney (who incidently was in his last term as DA) spoke to them for 6 weeks and persuaded them to go to court.
Sounds to me like a DA with hopes of retiring on a high.

I am really surprised that they didn't find him guilty of the 'alcohol' thing.

No doubt there will be much money rolling into the Michael Jackson coffers real soon.
That will give the pariah's something to suck up - ooh did i really say that?:wallbash:

Well we were for once united across the world because I sat down at watched the verdict (9.15 am my time) as well...and...no, I wasn't surprised either.

He may be innocent, he may have done something, but in the end there just wasn't enough evidence and you can't send someone to prison (fortunately) just for being a bit weird.

I am really surprised that they didn't find him guilty of the 'alcohol' thing.

No doubt there will be much money rolling into the Michael Jackson coffers real soon.
That will give the pariah's something to suck up - ooh did i really say that?

Apparently his cash wealth is $38,000 and he has debts in th region of $300,000,000.....that does not include the bill for the legal fees!!


I don't think he'll be earning that many coffers to see him recover.

ahh, America ... the best justice system money can buy ... ditto politicians ... what do the reckon the UK is ... about 10 years behind ... say hello to the future.

Apparently his cash wealth is $38,000 and he has debts in th region of $300,000,000.....that does not include the bill for the legal fees!!


I don't think he'll be earning that many coffers to see him recover.

I'm no legal eagle ...but surely if the others brought the case against him and he is found not guilty he shouldn't have to pay?

I head said this morning it wasnt a case so much of believing MJ but not believing the Arvesos who came across as manipulative and money grabbing. It was also said that if Jordy Chandler had testified it would have been a different outcome. Having said all that its such a bitter shame that someone with such talent has ended up as some kind of a lonely circus freak. Money just does not bring happiness. I dont think he will revive his career as far as the kids today are concerned he is old hat.

I am really surprised that this thread hasn't had more posts. And the reason being a backlash from what the jury are now saying! Like mariarob says it wasn't so much that jury beleived the Jackson Camp it was more to do with not necessarily not beleiving the Arvisos, but more that they didn't like Mrs Arviso!! One juror said 'Hey lady [talking about Mrs Arviso] - no-one flips a finger at me!!!] What a tragic situation this is!!

I find it hard to beleive that anyone can honestly believe that this verdict was correct. The law in the US [and the UK - will come to that in a mo] is so far stuck up its own ass that it makes it really difficult to actually pin a conviction on anyone.

I have no doubt that if MJ was some ordinary Joe - he would now be behind bars.

Why has no-one ever questioned that MJ ever sleeps with little girls - it is only ever little boys!! God this fact hits everyone in the face!!

And what is this rubbish about comparing today [yesterday] with the day the Berlin Wall came down or the release of Nelso Mandela - who does this guy think he is?? It really irritates me, angers me that people like him, despite his upbringing - so bloody what, some people have had far worse childhoods - get away with near enough murder.

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Oh the UK justice thing!!? Two guys in a car, having just taken a mix of heroin, speed and cocaine, crash into a bus stop killing a great grandfather, at 2 o'clock in the afternoon. Because they both accuse the other of driving neither can be prosecuted - consequence both go scott free - sorry but where is the justice in that?? True story, the second one walked free from Leeds CC today!!

It seems to boil down to 'beyond reasonable doubt', in this case there was enough doubt to prevent a 'guilty' vote.

It seems to boil down to 'beyond reasonable doubt', in this case there was enough doubt to prevent a 'guilty' vote.

Well I would question that having heard the comments some of the jurors have made!!

eg.
it was more to do with not necessarily not beleiving the Arvisos, but more that they didn't like Mrs Arviso!! One juror said 'Hey lady [talking about Mrs Arviso] - no-one flips a finger at me!!!

I think we all know what Michael Jackson is.

The problem is that the prosecution couldn't prove it beyond reasonable doubt.

He was found "not guilty".

I think in this instance thats a long way from innocent!

sf and Groucho - I can see what you are both saying and can perfectly understand the logistics behind such statements in relation to the law.

Does it not gall you??

And moving further from that - do people have to accept this? I come from a background of action, I always feel that I need to do something when something happens that I object to, especially involving injustice or immorality or tyranny or ****.

It galls me that he went on stage at the Brits 1996 portraying himself as Jesus and they arrested Jarvis Cocker!

It galls me that he compares his aquittal today against such historical events as the fall of the Berlin Wall and the release of Nelson Mandela.

It galls me that the American legal system is so innept that they put a witness like Janet Arvizo on the stand and allowed her to undermine the whole trial.

Yes, it galls me a bit Flip.

I saw on the news about what the jurors said also Flip. And the lady about the finger, I stated at the time to Mr tiggs, "is that all she based her verdict on?" Not only that, but a male member of the jury categorically stated that they believed that MJ molested children. :ohmy: It also disturbed me when the statement was made that many of the jury were in tears at MJ's reaction when he received the not guilty verdict. I'm with you on this Flip, and I feel I want to go do something about it. I think it's shameful and disgusting. :ranting:

Wow Tiggs.

What sort of legal system allows someone to get off if some of the jurors believe he did abuse children. It's madness.

It will be interesting to hear what the jurors do come out and say.
I was reading that in the States, jurors are allowed to tell/sell their story. Freedom of speech and all that.
Whereas here in Britain, jurors are not allowed to blab anything at all.

Wait for all the book/newspaper deals to come now.

Wow Tiggs.

What sort of legal system allows someone to get off if some of the jurors believe he did abuse children. It's madness.
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Only in America eh??

Its like OJ Simpson all over again.

Its like OJ Simpson all over again.


Same thought has been going through my head. :mad2:

It also disturbed me when the statement was made that many of the jury were in tears at MJ's reaction when he received the not guilty verdict. :

I'm sure the defense played heavily on the sympathy vote. Isn't it so often the case that a perpetrator 'plays victim' to appear innocent.

I have my doubts about MJ's fraility, back problems etc. If his back was a problem it didn't stop him from 'moonwalking' on top of a van for his fans before the trial.

Notice now the use of 'victim' expressions by his agents. The trial has been an 'ordeal' for him. And he will now have to stop taking boys into his bed to prevent him being 'vulnerable' to further accusations.

And so on.

I think KH is about to fire off a biggie here.

What sort of legal system allows someone to get off if some of the jurors believe he did abuse children.


No legal system is perfect and the problem with this case is that Michael Jackson was not charged with "abusing children". He was charged with abusing Gavin Arviso.

For good reasons, the jury can only convict on the actual charge. Obviously the jury in this trial did not believe, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Gavin Arviso was abused by Michael Jackson. Whether or not they believe he abused children other than Gavin Arviso is irrelevant to this case because that is NOT what he was charged with.

Personally, I think the legal system in this case is as good as it can be. I also think that if even 1 juror reasonably doubted Arviso's evidence then the correct verdict was returned. The problem, I think, does not lie with the legal system, but with the police and the prosecuting team. Quite simply, their case needed to be tighter and their witnesses needed to be more credible before any charge was brought.

I think KH is about to fire off a biggie here.

Lol!

Wasn't that big by my standards. Took ages though because I kept getting interrupted by my Manager (wish he'd bog off).

I'm sure the defense played heavily on the sympathy vote. Isn't it so often the case that a perpetrator 'plays victim' to appear innocent.

I have my doubts about MJ's fraility, back problems etc. If his back was a problem it didn't stop him from 'moonwalking' on top of a van for his fans before the trial.



I second that SF, in fact how many times was the trial stopped or delayed because MJ had to be rushed off to hospital. It was pretty obvious that he was going for the sympathy vote.

I find it unbelievable that a juror decices a not guilty vote just because the mother clicked her fingers - did she not bother to listen to the evidence? That said I don't rate the family very highly either, just why would they allow their children to go Never Never Ranch unsupervised?

And anyone who dangles their own children over a hotel balcony, covers them up in scarves, refuses to let them spend time with their birth mother is in my opinion in serious need of medical help!

Thats what I had hoped for Micheal is that if he was found guilty they would examine his mental condition and sadly now he will continue on without the help he needs. He thinks he is god like, spends far more than he earns, has a childhood complex with netherland and making friends with children and no one can help him in at present.

Only in America could a poor black boy turn into a rich white women :wacko:


I do think that Jacko is innocent ,but the man has obviously lost his grip on reality.