well ive been dying to discuss harry potter since i finished two weeks ago!! waiting for all you slow pokes. so i thought i would start a new thread on it. note there will probably be spoilers so anyone not finished dont read on!!!

well well well what can i say?? i cant believe he's gone!! i was so sure he couldnt die, come on hes one of the greatest wizards of all time!! and if anyone was to finish him off it wouldve been lord voldemort NOT that evil snape!!

when i read the chapter about snape i was like OH NO it cant be true! snape is in the order and dumbledore must have concrete evidence to believe he was good. and throughout the book there was always that glimmer of hope that snape was really good and only lying to lord voldemort so he could get information for the order. but alas that was not to be. then again ive always wondered why snape had not been found by lord voldemort and punished or killed since he came back in power. now i know why!

the book on the whole was good, the best bits were harry's private lessons with dumbledore, i loved it! each lesson you learned something new about lord voldemort. but the bits in between were so-so, i think the book wouldve been better if ron and hermione were on speaking terms then together they couldve cracked what draco was up to and stopped them!! thats whats happened in the other books. slightly disappointed in that respect. and was slightly bored of all the lovey dovey stuff.

looking forward to the next one though!! though it might be a bit different seeing as there's no more hogwarts!

I have a theory that Snape may be one of the good guys and it was all planned by Dumbledore. Now Snape will be seen as OK by Voldemort and be able to keep an eye out for Harry secretly. D'dore will have made the big sacrifice to ensure Harry's protection.

(If you're reading, JK -I'll be happy with 10% :thumbsup: )

The whole Hogwarts thing was becoming a bit 'samey' - it'll be more interesting to see how the rest of the wizard world is developed.

I agree Fee, I think that the story of Snape being with "he who must not be named" is all a big double/double bluff.

I really think he is with Dumbledore on this.
I can't see the character that Rowling has made out to be Dunbledore to be so wrong with regards to Snape.
I think Snape is there for Harry in the last adventure but of course he is not going to realise it.

But is it going to be at Hogwart's or out in the world looking for these other pieces of Voldemort's spirit.
Talking to my BIL he thinks that Harry will go back to Hogwarts because there are too many characters involved at the school.
But personally, I think he won't go back to Hogwart's and the last book will be about him finding all the pieces of Voldemort and defeating him, and of course Hermoine and Ron will be there with him, even though he said he wants to do this on his own.

Thanks Kooky for starting this thread, because I always wanted to talk about the new book but didn't want to give anything away.

I must add, I did have a tear in my eye when I read Dumbledore died:cry:

Good one Kooks! :thumbsup:

I wept buckets when DD died and am only hoping that his portrait will appear in the new head's office and continue to give advice (I am sure Hogwarts will continue even if Harry isn't there)

The talk in our household is about who 'RAB' (who stole the Horcrux and left the message for Voldemort) is, my theory is that it's Sirius' brother Regulus Black (who was himself killed by the Death Eaters for something or other on VM's orders) but Ellie thinks it might be a relation of Borgin or Burke's (from Nocturne Alley) I'll be eager to find out!

I am inclined to think that Snape is every bit as black as he is painted and that DD was wrong about him after all.

I have a theory that Snape may be one of the good guys and it was all planned by Dumbledore. Now Snape will be seen as OK by Voldemort and be able to keep an eye out for Harry secretly. D'dore will have made the big sacrifice to ensure Harry's protection.

(If you're reading, JK -I'll be happy with 10% :thumbsup: )

The whole Hogwarts thing was becoming a bit 'samey' - it'll be more interesting to see how the rest of the wizard world is developed.

I am kind of with Fee & Andrea on this one. I think that Dumbledore realised that the drink from the fountain was going to kill him anyway and he somehow got a message to Snape to say that he could finish him off. Also Snape maybe had no choice as he did make The Unbreakable Vow to Narcissa, Draco's mother, and he maybe done that hoping that Dumbledore would be able to break the vow but on telling Dumbledore realised that the headmaster's fate lay with him. I did guess that Snape was the Half Blood Prince though. Good idea about the R.A.B. voice though, as I can't really think of anyone else.

I hope Hogwarts will still be there for the next book, which will be the last one.:( I would like to see J K Rowling write a book about Harry's father, Sirius, Snape etc and their times at school.

One thing that did puzzle me from The Order of The Phoenix though. When Hagrid showed the class The Threstrals he nodded that Harry would be able to see them and so would Neville, but you can only see them if have seen death. Who did Neville Longbottom see die, as his parents are still alive?

:shocking: Dumbledore is dead???? :shock:

You'll need to read faster dab...:laugh:

:shocking: Dumbledore is dead???? :shock:

You should've read the spoilers, Dab! :ohmy:

You should've read the spoilers, Dab! :ohmy:

It's okay, Bella. I was joking. I don't read the Potter books.

It's okay, Bella. I was joking. I don't read the Potter books.


Oh, go on Dab, you know you want to! ;) :kid:

I thought I did, so I read the first three. Then I realised I didn't. :wink2:

Who did Neville Longbottom see die, as his parents are still alive?

His grandfather Bella, Prof Umbridge asked him when she was inspecting Hagrid's calss :)

Finished this today.

Oh.

My.

God.

cheerio!

started reading it on saturday finished it on monday (had to wait till the missus finished first) and coulnt belive it. I thought that snape would have put a silent counter jinx in to save dd when he went over. so sad to see him go. Just had a thought when dd is talking to harry in hogsmeade he mentions making people think he is there when he is away could the body not be some sort or double or am i just clutching at straws? :sad:

my last post seems to have disappeared!! yes that is a feasible theory about snape. i always did wonder why he wasnt as scared of getting killed by voldvemort as karkaroff was. because voldemort would have no hesitation if he thought snape was a traitor. ALSO i did wonder what are dumbledores reasons for trusting snape? the one provided isnt a good enough reason.

and what is the significance of the half-blood prince? i dont think the potions book played a strong enough role in this book to have warranted its focus because all harry did was get through potions with it. therefore i think the book perhaps holds clues to the other horcruxes? or is central in the killing of voldemort anyway. i just dont think it had much to do in this book with anything other than to get harry through potions.

another thing - house elves, i have two theories, they will either turn on the wizards because they have been badly treated or hermione will suceed in her spew campaign and elves will help harry in the quest to kill voldemort lead by dobby and winky.

also do you think draco is not all that bad after all? his hesitation in killing dumbledore kinda makes me feel that he is not that evil and will even help harry?

im afraid waylander you could be clutching at straws, professor mcgonagoll was able to get into the headmasters office because it was rightfully hers. remember prof.umbridge couldnt get in because she was not the rightful headmistress. also dumbledores painting is now on the headmasters office so i think he really must be gone!! boo hoo. i know i was like this last time when sirius died. i thought there is no way he couldve died, he just fell through a arch, that couldnt have killed him!

and what is the significance of the half-blood prince?

My conclusion is that everyone at the end of the book is left reeling and debating about Snape, who is, in fact, Le Half-Blood Prince. His story is central to it, even if the Potions book itself actually isn't. Although thinking about it, the book is a catalyst to quite a few events, just like the Goblet of Fire wasn't actually central but it was the turning point to what happened afterwards.

Look at me analysing HP. I really should try and read Crime and Punishment again.

Oh well.

cheerio!

also do you think draco is not all that bad after all? his hesitation in killing dumbledore kinda makes me feel that he is not that evil and will even help harry?

Nah, I think that it just showed that, like a lot of bullies, when it came down to it Draco was a coward.

I have a theory that Snape may be one of the good guys and it was all planned by Dumbledore. Now Snape will be seen as OK by Voldemort and be able to keep an eye out for Harry secretly. D'dore will have made the big sacrifice to ensure Harry's protection.

(If you're reading, JK -I'll be happy with 10% :thumbsup: )



I was thinking along these lines when I read it. Why did DD put Harry under the perfectus, because he didn't want him jumping in and ruing things?
I still can't believe though that DD would be ready to die, but if it were a choice between him and Snape.......... DD wasn't thick, there must be more behind him trusting Snape. Snape had made the unbreakable vow, so he had to help Draco or be killed himself, DD knew about this and knew too that Draco would not have the bottle.
Maybe DD's pleas to Snape before he did he killing curse were a plea to say yes do it. Maybe Snape is the most powerful and useful member of the Order of the Phoenix.
Harry is not going to be able to get past all the dark magic that awaits him in book 7, he's always got far with a mixture of good luck and brainy mates.
I think that Harry will need Snape in book 7, but will he want to kill him first? Will he trust him?
I love the twist and turns.
Voice I too was thinking of Sirius' brother as being R.A.B he tried to get away didn't he, one time death eater. Maybe Harry will find the real locket back at 12 Grimauld place, kreacher could have it in his boiler room bedroom.
I must be the last person to finish this lol!
I have just cried buckets of Dumbledores death and my heart was breaking at the phoenix song.
Aww well only two years to go till book 7.
And Goblet of fire is out in November. Ralph Fiennes will play Voldermort.
Talking of films, I reckon book 6 is going to be a pretty horrific film, all those inferi in that lake. Shiver :huh:

Bob, I am re-reading Harry Potter again just to get a few things straight in my mind.

Saw the trailers of the Goblet of Fire and it looks fantastic! :thumbsup:

Bob, I am re-reading Harry Potter again just to get a few things straight in my mind.

Saw the trailers of the Goblet of Fire and it looks fantastic! :thumbsup:

Thats a damn fine idea Bella, I might do the same. I think I didn't enjoy it properly until yesterday as I read the first 200 pages over two weeks, 15 minute here and there on hol and at work, but from yesterday afternoon until this evening I hardly put it down, and thats the best way to read it.