If you're cronies aren't sticking 'em in gaol they're man-handling them.

I gather TB has now apologised to the 82year old who 5 'security' personnel man-handled out of the conference and then police arrested under anti terror charges for saying "nonsense".

The Labour Party is getting paranoid.

The Labour Party has lost the Public

The Labour Party needs to be shaken up big stylee

The Labour party don't want to worry one jot about you if you are old or even sick, you are a nonentity to them and just an inconvenience to their greater plans. They even accused Mo Mowlem of being 'Mentally Unstable' when she left them on principle. one reason why they all make me sick to my stomach, and have done for years.


Still, they will be getting very excited soon, seems the senior citizens are about to give them some right bloody noses back. The queues for going to prison for not paying the CT increases are getting longer by the minute. To be honest I don't blame them for this, the CT is going up more that their (our) pensions, Gas and lecky has just gone up 14%, and many of these people struggle as is. What do they give up on buying to cover these extra costs?

Yeah it was pretty shocking. It made me think of the old USSR - the party members were just expected to show up, vote for whatever they were told to vote for, and go away again.

This Government is truly, utterly, morally repugnant. It boasts about being tolerant and permitting the kind of free speech that the hook-handed cleric of hate was allowed to peddle outside mosques, yet when a Jewish pensioner dares to utter one word of dissent, he's pounced upon by moronic bouncers.

If they had been wearing jackboots, black leather coats and grey uniforms, it could almost have been Nazi Germany, circa late 1930s.

Now now Normal! Just look at him. Goodness knows what he might have done if those brave lads hadn't risked life and limb to eject him.

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And of course Jack Straw has always frowned on this sort (http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardianpolitics/story/0,3605,909069,00.html)of disruption

What I found even more repugnant was our PM saying he had been 'forced' to appologise about this. Forced?????????? :shocking:

I don't see what the hoo hah is about. Hecklers are usually removed, it would happen at a Tory conference too. I suppose it's because he is a frail old man and the security men were big bouncer types. A bit like the awwww isn't it unfair story about the old lady and the council tax.

Yes..but a bit of intelligence!!!!
Like..if the government cant' tell the difference between a frail old man and an actual terrorist..(he was ejected on anti-terrorist grounds I think?)
well then..that don't inspire much confidence.
Bah.

Maybe you should have watched Question Time from Brighton last night SF - it was a huge eye-opener on the Nazi Nu Labour. The sooner this bunch of bully-boys are buried - the better.


Oh, and persistant hecklers would normally have been asked to leave politely. Not one bloke who once spoke out being manhandled - I don't care what age they are - it's still jack-boot tactics.

I watched this clip on the news and you what was the funny thing about it - there was a person a few rows in front of this old man who was nodding off! Even when all the ruckus was going on behind, they never even woke up and looked round. No, they just continued with the head jerking! Must have been a rivetting speech by Jack Straw!

I don't see what the hoo hah is about. Hecklers are usually removed, it would happen at a Tory conference too. I suppose it's because he is a frail old man and the security men were big bouncer types. A bit like the awwww isn't it unfair story about the old lady and the council tax.

The "hoo-ha" is that this man wasn't a disruptive heckler. He was a pensioner, and a loyal labour party member, who happened to say the word "nonsense" when Jack Straw was speaking. So softly did he say it, that it wasn't even picked up on the conference microphones.

But it was loud enough for the New Labour stormtroopers to hear, and sure enough in they waded, grabbing the old man despite his plea that "You don't need to touch me, I'll leave of my own accord if you ask me to.."

But pub-bouncers (which one of the heavies is) don't always listen to reason, so instead of being allowed to make a dignified exit - which he offered to do - the old man was dragged from his seat like some thug from a football terrace.

This could almost have been one of those early national socialist party meetings in a German beerkeller - when anyone daring to say anything out of turn during one of Hitler's rants was quickly "removed" and dealt with outside....

New Labour? New Nazis.

Not sure if your account of the story is accurate Norm - I say this because I know you are a bit anti-Blair & co and so it might suit your corner to have the heckler as 'whispering' etc. Also because I heard he'd done quite a bit of heckling and got slung out for it in the past. If I'm wrong I take it back of course.

Not sure if your account of the story is accurate Norm - I say this because I know you are a bit anti-Blair & co and so it might suit your corner to have the heckler as 'whispering' etc. Also because I heard he'd done quite a bit of heckling and got slung out for it in the past. If I'm wrong I take it back of course.

If that's the case, what's wrong with simply asking him to leave? Or refusing him entry if he's been disruptive in the past? Did it really need the NuNazi stormtroopers to manhandle him in such an undignified manner?

My goodness - an infirm pensioner in his 80s was really going to give them some trouble, wasn't he?

And just as a footnote - take a look at some of the old labour conferences of the past. Hecklers were free to take a pop at the leadership - remember Derek Hatton and co and Kinnock?

Kinnockio was a windbag, granted, but at least he was quite prepared to engage in a bit of lively debate; unlike the over-spun, ring-fenced, media-trained puffed-up ponces who now infest NewLabour.

I don't see what the hoo hah is about. Hecklers are usually removed, it would happen at a Tory conference too. I suppose it's because he is a frail old man and the security men were big bouncer types. A bit like the awwww isn't it unfair story about the old lady and the council tax.

Did you see the footage of the man being removed SF?

What was shocking about it was not that he was removed for heckling per se, but how roughly it was done. There was no regard whatsoever for the mans age and frailty. Two big burly bodyguard types grabbed this old man by the scruff of the neck and literally manhandled him out of the conference.

Then they hauled out another younger chap who dared to suggest that they should be more gentle with him.

I thought it made very uncomfortable viewing myself, and I found myself feeling quite angry by it.

well i watched the footage and was absolutely shocked and appauled at what i saw.

This 82 year old man merely uttered the word nonsense and was ejected like a thug.

The man uses a walking stick ffs, and as Normal1 pointed out - he stated the bouncers he would leave of his own accord...but they refused to let him leave peacefully and manhandled him out.

I cannot believe that Tony Blair hasn't said he would meet him face to face, a "forced" apology imo.

This man is a survivor of Nazi Germany and a member of the Labour Party for 50 years - it made sick to see him being humiliated and treated in this fashion for merely uttering a few words of disagreement.

It made the Labour Part conference seem like a totalitarian, dicatorial regeme...

well i watched the footage and was absolutely shocked and appauled at what i saw.

This 82 year old man merely uttered the word nonsense and was ejected like a thug.

The man uses a walking stick ffs, and as Normal1 pointed out - he stated the bouncers he would leave of his own accord...but they refused to let him leave peacefully and manhandled him out.

I cannot believe that Tony Blair hasn't said he would meet him face to face, a "forced" apology imo.

This man is a survivor of Nazi Germany and a member of the Labour Party for 50 years - it made sick to see him being humiliated and treated in this fashion for merely uttering a few words of disagreement.

It made the Labour Part conference seem like a totalitarian, dicatorial regeme...

Yeah I agree Crystal Lights.

I've seen drunken, lairey lads being ejected from a nightclub with more dignity and respect than was afforded this 82 year old man. And actually, I thought he looked pretty scared by those bouncers! He was shrinking away from them and trying desperately to get his walking sticks while they were hoisting him to his feet by the armpits and dragging him off.

I still feel quite angry thinking about it.

Eternity - you and I might disagree on politics but why the need to 'bad rep' me for my comments in this thread? Don't you agree with freedom of speech then?

You mean it's not you that is bad repping me? Someone is SF, and I thought it was you, got niggled, so decided to payback. Childish I know.


However, if it was not you I am sorry. I agree that you and I disagree on many things political, but I assumed we were adult and could handle it .... until I started get bad reps for just giving my views.

You mean it's not you that is bad repping me? .

Fraid not me ol'darlin'.

I'm glad that so many people on here are annoyed, angry, upset about this old man and the tactics of the labour party (not just this incidence) but what amazes me most is the smooth spin machine that goes into operation and smoothes out all the edges of stories like this (and the John Prescott punching incident, for example) and kind of makes you wonder if it ever happened at all.

John Prescott - he is a thug of the utmost order. Even the way he talks is thuggish, he is always on the defensive or maybe that is just Labour! He is a horrible man with an attitude to boot.

The Labour Party can apologise all they like, it was shocking the way this old man was treated. His views were justified and if the Labour Party won't accept critisism then they should hold these sort of things behind closed doors!

Highly unusual to hear a politician apologise though isn't it? They never apologise! I mean - can you imagine Maggie when she was PM ever saying sorry for something she or her party had done?

I think it is one thing Blair is good at - showing a human face when it is appropriate. Can you imagine what Brown will be like assuming he takes over - he will simply use a logical argument for everything and bu99er the niceties of personality.

I think it is one thing Blair is good at - showing a human face when it is appropriate. Can you imagine what Brown will be like assuming he takes over - he will simply use a logical argument for everything and bu99er the niceties of personality.

There are two views on this: that Blair is a caring sharing individual, or that everything he does is controlled and manipulated by the spin machine and when he is trying to look sincere he comes across as being as phony as rocking horse poo.

Guess which view I subscribe to?