Hello Survivors,

I listened time and time again to Katie Meluas first CD and found much to rave about. Some songs on it were lovely.Even though the voice is not great.

Sunday morning however, I listened to a live performance Katie gave of a song from her New CD and not only did I find her guitar playing seriously defective but the singing was terrible. The song also was poorly written and had nothing with a catch or hook in it to render it particularly memorable or humable.

Today, I have heard the rest and I am simply not impressed at all. What the music industry has here is a pretty face and a pleasant natured girl, who cannot sing. I cannot imagine that Mike Batt will recouperate the cost of production from this CD at all. I'd give it 2 out of 10.

Time for Mike to Stop being a sugar Daddy.


What do you think?

Maureen
Northern angel.

Jamie Cullum :devil:

Elton John

Robbie Williams

The Beatles

Dido

Jamie Cullum

All Boy Bands

................to name but a few! :devil:

And re Katie Meluah - all her songs just sound the same, a bit like Dido really!

The Beatles



Whoa Bella - the Beatles were the most phenominal group EVER.

Have to agree about Jamie Cullum tho - the bloke is so up himself its not true!

Mariarob, I honestly think that The Beatles were the best that was around at that time but I think they hype towards them is just too much. There are a few songs that I like but they just don't do it for me. And sorry to say but neither did Paul McCartney and John Lennon as solo artists. The Beatles just don't do it for me.

That's just what I think, of course Mariarob but I think there are better bands than The Beatles - Queen, REM, Simple Minds, U2 to name but a few.

Craig David
P.Diddy
Peter Andre
Crazy Frog

Mariarob, I honestly think that The Beatles were the best that was around at that time but I think they hype towards them is just too much. There are a few songs that I like but they just don't do it for me. And sorry to say but neither did Paul McCartney and John Lennon as solo artists. The Beatles just don't do it for me.

That's just what I think, of course Mariarob but I think there are better bands than The Beatles - Queen, REM, Simple Minds, U2 to name but a few.

Good to see I'm not alone thinking hte Beatles are overrated Bella! I think in their day they were possibly the only thing going, but these days they wouldn't get through the X factor. Thats sad in a way actually, and a bit of a comment that the producers these days look for instant-packaging over talent. Can you imagine Simon Cowell faced with an unknown Beatles? "We have a vocal problem gentlemen......"

Craig David
P.Diddy
Peter Andre
Crazy Frog

The Crazy Frog is so crap. It wasn't even a frog to begin with! It was something on the internet and they just bought the sound and made it into a frog riding a air-motorbike!

I have to smile and shake my head sadly at those who say The Beatles are over-rated!

I think you have to have either have been around at the time or know a bit of the history of the cultural changes that took place in the 60's and a fair amount of that culture change throughout the world ... yes the whole wide blooming world was down to The Beatles.

One reason why people say they are over-rated is cos what they do they do so well that it looks simple ... well it ain't and in cultural terms it was earth shattering and changed some things for ever. I am of course talking culturally and musically ...

I think you have to have either have been around at the time or know a bit of the history of the cultural changes that took place in the 60's and a fair amount of that culture change throughout the world ... yes the whole wide blooming world was down to The Beatles.

One reason why people say they are over-rated is cos what they do they do so well that it looks simple ... well it ain't and in cultural terms it was earth shattering and changed some things for ever. I am of course talking culturally and musically ...

Yes, I was but a twinkle in my father's eye at the time the Beatles hit the big time but have liked some of their songs over the years, although you have to admit some of them were pretty cheesy. I am not saying they are crap, I am just not that into them. My mum who was around at the time, didn't get into them either. She was into The Rolling Stones and The Kinks at the time. Not everyone was a Beatles fan, yes what they acheived was fantastic - 4 young guys from Liverpool taking on the world with their music, I just was and never will be a fan.

The Stones, The Kinks, The Who, Bob Dylan (who is very much on tv at the moment) and loads of other people have their place in musical history and I'm a big fan of all of them. I'm not saying you have to be a fan of The Beatles I'm just saying you need to look at them in context and also in the way they changed things.

As I heard in a jokey song the other day, people wont be writing about the effect that Robbie Williams or The Killers had on music or culture in 45 years time ... probably not even in 5 years time ... The Beatles were just SO important.

btw - for clarity HATE Robbie, rather like The Killers!

The Stones, The Kinks, The Who, Bob Dylan (who is very much on tv at the moment) and loads of other people have their place in musical history and I'm a big fan of all of them. I'm not saying you have to be a fan of The Beatles I'm just saying you need to look at them in context and also in the way they changed things.

As I heard in a jokey song the other day, people wont be writing about the effect that Robbie Williams or The Killers had on music or culture in 45 years time ... probably not even in 5 years time ... The Beatles were just SO important.

btw - for clarity HATE Robbie, rather like The Killers!

Dol, I do accept that that era of music will be with us forever, you could even go back to Swinging 50's with Sinatra & co, their music still has influence. And yes I agree that groups, boybands, singers today haven't really stamped their mark like bands and singers did then. I do think that was down the fact that there wasn't as many trying to cut into the music industry, there wasn't a big pool like there is today to choose from. There is just too much crap saturation within our music industry today, if a Boy Band wins X-Factor I think I will scream. I just wish the whole boyband thing would just die. It is good to see "proper" bands like The Killers, Franz Ferdinand and the likes making a come-back to the scene. Proper bands that can play instruments, sing fantastic songs and don't just rely on their pretty-boy looks and their prancy dance routines!

What exactly did The Beatles change though? Do you mean musically or culturally?

...Mariah Carey?...

hee..the only one who really over-rates pariah scarey (mariah carey)
is HERSELF....
yawnsome...

Oh God yes, Mariah Carey has got to be the most over-rated female singer.....EVER!! Who buys her CD's that's what I would like to know!?

I don't like Mariah Carey or her music, but I think she has the most amazing voice and vocal range. Same with Celine Dion.

All Mariah Carey does is warble, a bit like yodelling. Don't like Celine Dion either and bands like Westlife, The Spice Girls, Boyzone and the likes are very over-rated. God only knows how they got so many number ones. I am going to have to include Ronan Keating in this lot of over-rated artists. I don't like his voice at all, it is very nasly. I think he is a nice enough guy but as far as his music goes...........over-rated!

The likes of boyzone and other bore..sorry boy bands get sooooooooo many number one's is because they exploit little 3 year old girls and stuff.
I remember strolling past the Point on the night of a Westlife gig...(coincidence..honest!) and it was nothing but tiny little girls ...MILLIONS of them....
teeny tiny tots...
I'd say any of the older girls there, the 14 or 15 year olds were only babysitters.
How embarassing for the band... :laugh:

I do feel a bit of a hypocrite slating boyband as I did go to a Take That concert at the tender age of...........25 :blush: Have to say I did thoroughly enjoy myself, bobbing away and it was a great night but it was nothing compared to other concerts that I have been to: Simple Minds, Bryan Adams, REM, U2 and others. The thing with these boy-bands going to see them in concert, you are really going to see a very good stage managed musical of sorts.

Can I add Whitney Houston to this list? I do think she has a fabulous voice but I did see her in concert and it was just a "me, me, me" production as far as she was concerned. It was about 15 years ago and the tickets then were £25 and she sang a total of 8 songs!! She spent most of the time talking about.........herself and going off and getting changed! It was the worst ever concert I have been to!

can i just go back to The Beatles for a minute, i don't think they were over-rated !!!! the music they wrote at the time i mean come on. although i always preferred John Lennon, i love his songs.

Timmy Mallet :laugh:

Gary Glitter (well his wig is anyway)

What exactly did The Beatles change though? Do you mean musically or culturally?

I have to leap to their defense here - because I did, and do still, like their music.

I think Dol is talking both musically and culturally. here's the first thing I Googled (http://slate.msn.com/id/2095079/) it's about the impact one journalist felt their apperarance on the Ed Sullivan show had.

By the way Bella - when you say they were overrated, what do you mean. If it's just that you and your mum didn't like them, that's not the same as their being overrated is it?

Overrated usually means where the hype outweighs actual performance, but if you take a look at what the Beatles did, surely you can't say they didn't perform - just look at ...

-the number of top ten and no 1 singles they had
-ditto for their albums including Sgt Pepper which is considered to have changed the direction of pop music and introduced the concept album
-Movies like Help and Hard Days Night that get 5 stars from Halliwell's, a top movie guide
-the number of Lennon-McCartey numbers that have been covered by famous artists

I have never been a muso, I hear a record on the radio and either like it or not. I never EVER have had an urge to dash out and buy that persons CD or record (as was the case in my yoof)

I can list here and now the records/tapes/cd's I have bought.

Dreadlock Holiday - 10 CC
You're the one that I want - Grease.
Fleetwoodmac - Rumours
Bread - I think they only ever did one didn't they
Elton John - Greatest Hits (featuring Sacrifice)
Billy Joel - Greatestest Hits
David Grey - White Ladder
Keane.

Recently I have got into Odyssey and Earth Wind & Fire.

I am what you could call a 70's hippy boho chic CHICK!

I have to leap to their defense here - because I did, and do still, like their music.

I think Dol is talking both musically and culturally. here's the first thing I Googled (http://slate.msn.com/id/2095079/) it's about the impact one journalist felt their apperarance on the Ed Sullivan show had.

By the way Bella - when you say they were overrated, what do you mean. If it's just that you and your mum didn't like them, that's not the same as their being overrated is it?

Overrated usually means where the hype outweighs actual performance, but if you take a look at what the Beatles did, surely you can't say they didn't perform - just look at ...

-the number of top ten and no 1 singles they had
-ditto for their albums including Sgt Pepper which is considered to have changed the direction of pop music and introduced the concept album
-Movies like Help and Hard Days Night that get 5 stars from Halliwell's, a top movie guide
-the number of Lennon-McCartey numbers that have been covered by famous artists

I appreciate what you are saying SF and yes I cannot say that The Beatles were not influentual in their music. And there are a few of their songs that I do like, I think they just got a bit weird towards the end, all that flower-power stuff and drugs. That is really where I am coming from when I rate them as overrated. And they were a proper band with singers, guitarist and a drummer and they wrote their own music. Sergeant Pepper to me really was a load of cack and the rendition at the Make Poverty History was just embarrassing.

I can't comment on the films as I honestly don't think I have seen enough to appreciate it.

Look at the amount of number one's Mariah Carey, Westlife, Boyzone have had though................granted they had them in the modern era when number one's are ten a penny.

I am not saying that The Beatles were not good musicians, of course they were. And maybe if I had been around at that time who knows what side of the fence I would have been sitting on? ;)

Sergeant Pepper to me really was a load of cack

I didn't mention it because I thought it was particularly outstanding, but because it is considered a significant milestone in the development of pop music - like the thing or not.

I didn't mention it because I thought it was particularly outstanding, but because it is considered a significant milestone in the development of pop music - like the thing or not.


Maybe it says more about me than them but I just don't like Sergeant Pepper even in it's original form. That said I will put my hands up to being completey ignorant to what it is about, but if it is the case that it is considered a significant milestone in the development of pop music, I think I will take myself off and do a spot of googling to find out more about it. :)

My top, however many I get to, over rated artists are:

Celine Dion (needles in the eyes is more appealing)

Jamie Cullum (jumped up little prat who ruins classic songs)

The Beatles (although I did like some of Pauls later stuff and John Lennons Imagine is a classic!)

Elvis (he has never ever done it for me!)

Abba (think slow chinese water tourture with added distraction of chalk board gratting and white noise)

Mariah Carey

All Girl bands (all tits and ass and vertually no singing talent!)

All boy bands (although I don't mind Boyzone)

Katie Mellua (yes they do all sound the same)

Ricky Martin

Michael Ball
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Prince

Madonna

Michael Jackson

(these three just never did anything for me dispite their huge success!)

Good to see I'm not alone thinking hte Beatles are overrated Bella! I think in their day they were possibly the only thing going, but these days they wouldn't get through the X factor. Thats sad in a way actually, and a bit of a comment that the producers these days look for instant-packaging over talent. Can you imagine Simon Cowell faced with an unknown Beatles? "We have a vocal problem gentlemen......"

Sayang - thank goodness the beatles would never get through on the X-FACTOR, god forbid we have the day the music charts are made up of Ghastly Gareths, Drippy Darius, Hear no more Hearsays, and wetter than wet westlives...

I cant agree with you that the Beatles were overrated. They trasncended multiple genres going from feel good popsongs like "I wanna hold your hand" to amazing psychadelic melodies like "Lucy in the sky with diamonds" and "strawbery fields" to absolute classics like "Yesterday", "Imagine", "A day in the Life" to ballads like "The Long and winding road" to classic rock like "Get Back"....you get my point!!

They have been the major influence of bands like Oasis, The charlatans, Happy Mondays,Oasis etc. They were one of the best bands of the 20th century ...overrated no way!!

IMO Wetlives are the best overrated band EVER.

The Beatles became famous through gimmick, nothing more. The hair, the clothes, shaking heads and the cheek of Lennon onstage did it for them. I saw them in concert in '63, and was left unimpressed, oddly, that same year we all boo'd the Stones offstage as utter cr*p. We had gone to see The Everly Brothers, and Mick strutting his stuff was just the funniest thing we had ever seen.

I never took to the Beatles, nor to Elvis, but I did take to John Lennon when he went solo, I think that is when he became an all time great up there with the best of them. The rest of the Beatles were just nonentities to me.

For the best and most talented group, in my mind there is nothing comes close to The Moody Blues. Saw then in Newcastle recently, and they still rock.

Coldplay. Oasis. Lifehouse. Katie Melua. James Blunt. Ever single dance act, ever.

cheerio!

I don't like Mariah Carey or her music, but I think she has the most amazing voice and vocal range. Same with Celine Dion.

I agree Patsy. I think she should be locked up, but Carey's rendition of Oh Holy Night (when of my favourite songs..when sung well that is) is top class. Dion's, in contrast, is a bit forced and warbly - Carey 1, Dion 0 with that song.

IMO Wetlives are the best overrated band EVER.

ok here goes......I'm....I'm......I'm a Westlife fan (there, out of the closet, I feel a hundred pounds lighter all of a sudden).

So I start to ponder my warped taste, and listen again to all my Westlife favourites again. They can sing! (well one of them can at least). A not-too-bad version of Angel, Queen of My Heart (uh oh, singing along now), ahh, the romance.

I tried an promptly forgot every other boyband. Westlife forever!

(in fact, listen to Queen of My Heart, then listen to Mull of Kintyre, then notice the similarities, then figure which is actually the better tune, then wonder how one has some sort of musical validity because it is related to Sir Paul, and the other is dismissed because its a boyband. Hmmm.)

I'm afraid that I'm another one who thinks The Beatles are hugely overrated.

I agree that they changed the style of popular music and in that regard they are not overrated. But people speak of them now as if they were Gods. Their work is revered as musical genius - and frankly it wasn't! They were average musicians with average voices.

What they were was different! They had a unique sound which was slightly rebellious for the era and appealed to the youth of that age. But what really made them successful was slick, professional marketing. The Beatles were the Boyzone of their day.

I listen to their stuff now and some of it is pleasant. Some of it is pure and utter dross. One or two of their songs are weird but strangely likeable (I am the Eggman, I am the Walrus goo goo g'joob! ). But mostly it is average. In my opinion The Stones has a far, far sexier sound.

(P.S. did anyone read that quote from Paul McCartney about Robbie Williams earlier this week? Apparently he said, rather scathingly "Robbie Williams has done well for an ex-boyband member....". Well, I'm no fan of Robbie Williams, but I had to laugh at that. WTF are YOU Mr McCartney, if not an ex-boyband member :laugh: )

(P.S. did anyone read that quote from Paul McCartney about Robbie Williams earlier this week? Apparently he said, rather scathingly "Robbie Williams has done well for an ex-boyband member....". Well, I'm no fan of Robbie Williams, but I had to laugh at that. WTF are YOU Mr McCartney, if not an ex-boyband member :laugh: )


oh come on karen!! Paul McCartney was SO much more than that ... and deep down in those places you don't like to go ... you know that!!!

I'd say what Paul Mc said about Robbie pretty much sums him up anyway!

oh come on karen!! Paul McCartney was SO much more than that ... and deep down in those places you don't like to go ... you know that!!!

I'd say what Paul Mc said about Robbie pretty much sums him up anyway!

Actually, I cannot stand Paul McCartney.

He has the kind of face that I just want to smack. And if he ever took his head out of his @rse for long enough, I might be tempted to do it too! :laugh:

Actually, I canot stand Paul McCartney.

He has the kind of face that I just want to smack. And if he ever took his head out of his @rse for long enough, I might be tempted to do it too! :laugh:


lol! yes I wuold have to agree that is one bad face lift there macca!

regarding being up his own ar$e ... would have to agree with that too. I still imagine I was there when he told George Harrison how to play his guitar and can imagine the crestfallen look on Georgie's face!

One of my favourite quotes about the Beatles is from a waitress in a restuarant in America. John Lennon was there with Neillson and got into a fight and she accidently got hit by John Lennon. She said it wasn't that pain that hurt it was finding out that your hero is an asshole!!

lol! yes I wuold have to agree that is one bad face lift there macca!

Shikes! He didn't pay for that face did he? That is one seriously bad waste of money. :laugh:

Forget "Can't buy me love" - he should write a new song called "Can't buy me a decent boat". :laugh:

It'd be the best thing he's ever written :devil:

Actually, I cannot stand Paul McCartney.

He has the kind of face that I just want to smack. And if he ever took his head out of his @rse for long enough, I might be tempted to do it too! :laugh:

He's actually quite a nice guy :huh:

I think The Rolling Stones are the most over-rated band ever.

(awaits bad rep)

I think The Rolling Stones are the most over-rated band ever.

(awaits bad rep)

yuo will have to wait 24 hours from me PJ as I'm all repped out! but do not doubt it will come! :devil:

He's actually quite a nice guy :huh:

I'm sure he is loved by many Fee.

But not by me....... :devil:

ok here goes......I'm....I'm......I'm a Westlife fan (there, out of the closet, I feel a hundred pounds lighter all of a sudden).

So I start to ponder my warped taste, and listen again to all my Westlife favourites again. They can sing! (well one of them can at least). A not-too-bad version of Angel, Queen of My Heart (uh oh, singing along now), ahh, the romance.

I tried an promptly forgot every other boyband. Westlife forever!

(in fact, listen to Queen of My Heart, then listen to Mull of Kintyre, then notice the similarities, then figure which is actually the better tune, then wonder how one has some sort of musical validity because it is related to Sir Paul, and the other is dismissed because its a boyband. Hmmm.)


Hello sayangmouse and fellow survivors,

I never dreamed that such a short heading would evoke so many responses.
All of which I have read. I have also noted some of the names listed which indicate in some respect your musical dislikes aswell as giving your ages away.

I apologise I didn't intend that to happen. But if its any concellation I'm 43.

Here is an odd musical fact. Whilst many of you enjoy the beatles an equal number of you feel they were overated. However, no matter how staunch I am a music fan and consumer of both commercialised and artistic music.The beatles did make a serious impact on the singles market.

Musicologists say they broke the singles market as no one else had such successful sales. They had an enormous amount of hits and proved that irregardless of the quality/lack of quality of their massed song writing abilities simple tunes and four chord bashes became popular with the masses, searching for something new. No disrepect intended here to Ken Dodd, Val Doonigan, Frank Sinatra, Matt Munroe, but the top 20 at the time was riddled with lovely melodies sung by balladiers and early rock artists at the end of their careers.

Culturally therefore the beatles did fill a gap. They filled a gap with simple rock to head banging sounds.

Furthermore, musical tastes is sometimes like fashion. Retro fashion came in again 3 year ago with 50's style dresses and suits and even the materials were very 50's.

Music is trying to do the same and it looks like it might succeed. But sadly, the big sales in singles sales might not come with it. Unless of course the intention is to give us four for the price of one. As in many of the boy groups we've seen over the years.Rise fall and rise again, and why not as long as they can entertain that surely is all that matters.

Maureen
Northern Angel

Sayangmouse,, Queen of my heart was a lovely and original tune. I'm not so sure about the historical originality of Mull of Kintrye, I do like it but so many Gaelic and celtic tunes , are often claimed as having been written by or arranged by and in reality could well be public domain. The latter having been passed through the generations of families and are in respect musical folklore.

Hoping this hasn't disappointed you. Maureen. Northern angel.

Mull of Kintyre has no link to any traditional song.

The only tradition involved was the vast amounts of whisky consumed by the local pipe band (allegedly - I don't think anyone can remember :laugh: )

interesting discussion
somewhat bemused by the "overated" term being bandied.

[janus pushes high-horse into throng, checks it has hay, then clambers upon it . . . .]

stating that the beatles were overated is akin to saying jet-powered flight is overated, or sliced bread, or television. Man strives for convenience and the beatles were the convenient bridge between the (alledged) highbrow and "trained" art of classical music and the homespun "untrained" art of folk and lullaby music we sang around the kitchen table. Thus pop (popular) music evolved (through the brand new medium of radio and tv, which meant for the first time that entertainment could reach millions, and thus "personalities" were created . . . it all hangs together you see) and the beatles just happened to be on the crest of it. If it wasnt them it would have been somebody else because culturally it was what we (the masses) were creating. They just happened to hit all the buttons required that made it so. And were, therefore, first past the post. Because of this, they have to be accepted as culturally defining. And you cannot deny the abilty of their songwriting. More of their tunes have become "standards" than any other living artist. Why? Because they are popular.
Love them?
Hate them?
That really is down to personal opinion, which we are all entitled to.
Overated?
History has already reserved their table.

There are many musicians/bands/boybands/****ebandz that define their genre and thus have to be accepted (and rated!) for that. Like or loathe.

Whereas mariah carey?
she is just ****.

[thus with a whinney and a buckaroo, janus gallops off]

Slightly off topic, but has anyone heard Paul McCartney's latest bag of tripe! Its called "Fine Line" and it is truly awful!

Every time I hear it, I can just imagine him with his stupid grinning face, strumming away at his guitar and convincing himself that he is producing musical genius :sick:

interesting discussion
somewhat bemused by the "overated" term being bandied.

[janus pushes high-horse into throng, checks it has hay, then clambers upon it . . . .]

stating that the beatles were overated is akin to saying jet-powered flight is overated, or sliced bread, or television. Man strives for convenience and the beatles were the convenient bridge between the (alledged) highbrow and "trained" art of classical music and the homespun "untrained" art of folk and lullaby music we sang around the kitchen table. Thus pop (popular) music evolved (through the brand new medium of radio and tv, which meant for the first time that entertainment could reach millions, and thus "personalities" were created . . . it all hangs together you see) and the beatles just happened to be on the crest of it. If it wasnt them it would have been somebody else because culturally it was what we (the masses) were creating. They just happened to hit all the buttons required that made it so. And were, therefore, first past the post. Because of this, they have to be accepted as culturally defining. And you cannot deny the abilty of their songwriting. More of their tunes have become "standards" than any other living artist. Why? Because they are popular.
Love them?
Hate them?
That really is down to personal opinion, which we are all entitled to.
Overated?
History has already reserved their table.

There are many musicians/bands/boybands/****ebandz that define their genre and thus have to be accepted (and rated!) for that. Like or loathe.

Whereas mariah carey?
she is just ****.

[thus with a whinney and a buckaroo, janus gallops off]

Is anyone else moist? :unsure:

I have to leap to their defense here - because I did, and do still, like their music.

I think Dol is talking both musically and culturally. here's the first thing I Googled (http://slate.msn.com/id/2095079/) it's about the impact one journalist felt their apperarance on the Ed Sullivan show had.

By the way Bella - when you say they were overrated, what do you mean. If it's just that you and your mum didn't like them, that's not the same as their being overrated is it?

Overrated usually means where the hype outweighs actual performance, but if you take a look at what the Beatles did, surely you can't say they didn't perform - just look at ...

-the number of top ten and no 1 singles they had
-ditto for their albums including Sgt Pepper which is considered to have changed the direction of pop music and introduced the concept album
-Movies like Help and Hard Days Night that get 5 stars from Halliwell's, a top movie guide
-the number of Lennon-McCartey numbers that have been covered by famous artists

Hello survivorfan,

I too admit that I like the beatles music but I also admit that some of their best songs are better done as covers by other artists.

I am fortunately or unfortunately one of the arty types, I consume music for breakfast, dinner and tea and still never have enough of it. I also sing (this I have done from the age of 7, and began to train the voice from the age of 13. and even after 4 years of college training I still carried on ) classical music, gospel, jazz, blues real negro spirituals and the occassional pop tune. The latter when I let my hair down on a night out in town. I also play classical and folk guitar and have done so since the age of ten. I occassionally play piano a little classical and yes a few years ago I began playing jazz and blues for fun.

On the subject of artists being overated, you are right to suggest that if you don't like something that does not mean someone is overated. From a trained singer and musicians point of view. Over rated means where someone has all the hype or encouragement and contacts multiplied by a great deal of technical and musical ability the outcome should be a great performance.

Where the performance is found to be lacking we could say that a the song wasn't right, the equipment was failing, but in truth we could also say that something was wrong with the level of hype given the amount of natural gift or developed talent. :thumbsup:

Maureen
Northern angel

My top, however many I get to, over rated artists are:

Celine Dion (needles in the eyes is more appealing)

Jamie Cullum (jumped up little prat who ruins classic songs)

The Beatles (although I did like some of Pauls later stuff and John Lennons Imagine is a classic!)

Elvis (he has never ever done it for me!)

Abba (think slow chinese water tourture with added distraction of chalk board gratting and white noise)

Mariah Carey

All Girl bands (all tits and ass and vertually no singing talent!)

All boy bands (although I don't mind Boyzone)

Katie Mellua (yes they do all sound the same)

Ricky Martin

Michael Ball
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Prince

Madonna

Michael Jackson

(these three just never did anything for me dispite their huge success!)

Hello Coastie,

It's been awhile since I last sent a response to you. I think it was your sinking ship that I particularly liked. Still do.

As a singer myself I have never liked Celine Dion even though I like some of the songs she has covered preferably by other people. I also think the nasal quality and slight lispputs me off the squeezed sound of her high pitches. An opera singer does not need to squeeze sound it tends to be naturally open.

I don't like Abba or the three degrees as the 3 degrees. i find them very tinnie even though i know they were popular in their day.Having said that Shiela Ferguson has an excellent singing voice and should really have been the queen pin there.

Fantastic voice range on Maria Carey but what use is it, if you can't make up your mind what key you are going to warble in.

I like Ricky Martins body but sadly that doesn't make him talented.

Single sex bands are not really bands, most of them don't read music or play an instrument if they did they might endure themselves to me. Other than that my voice has been used for decades doubling up providing 8 -16 tracks of sound for many a pop record as have other backing vocalists whoin reality could be the talent behind the group. It's unfortunate that I don't fit the typical sexy image of a band member otherwise others of my kind would sound absolutely fab.

Prince is a good song writer but I'm not keen on him.Michael Jackson again for obvious reasons has a career down the pan, but why he was rated in the beginning beats me.

Which brings me to two I actually like from your list. Madonna and Michael Ball.

Michael Ball is the voice of modern theatre,and at that he is very good. As a person his character is impeccable and he is deserving of every success going. This is due to dedication and giving himself wholeheartedly to the task at hand. He was born gifted and had to endure all sorts of personal childhood
traumas to get to the point he is at today. I have nothing but admiration for people who are working class who succeed, especially in the vicious world of professional theatre.

Madonna has come along way over the years, and whilst I don't like her pop music at all I do like her performance in the film version of Evita And Marlowe.
She has obviously worked hard to achieve this, especially since her forte lies in dance and pop.

I have enjoyed these responses. it is always interesting reading others thoughts and views.

Maureen
Northern angel

Mull of Kintyre has no link to any traditional song.

The only tradition involved was the vast amounts of whisky consumed by the local pipe band (allegedly - I don't think anyone can remember :laugh: )

Hello fee for all,

I agree with your earlier comment. Paul Mccartney is a very pleasant bloke.

Yes, you'd need lots of holy water, to play the Scottish pipes, and I'm realiably informed that whilst the northumbrian pipes are not blown, a wee drop to whet your whistle comes in handy.

The words of Mull of kintrye certainly apear to have no traditional links. But a portion of the tune is all to similar to an old gaelic/ keltic tune, I came across in a group of hedge songs. Which is Irish. Having no rightful owner these tunes could be copied in part or full. Songs falling into the public domain only become copyright by arrangement.

Songs which are not public domain also have legal restrictions as to what portion can be copied without permission to use copyright. I,e Van Morrison's Have I told you lately uses 8 bars of Another song titled Have I told you lately by Scot Wiseman 1943.

Copyright and performance rights can be used if permission is granted by the owner (usually in the form of very expensive licenses) or if no current owner exists due to death and no last will and testament has bequeathed the said rights on. Copyright and performance rights otherwise are valid for 70 years from the date of writing, and at the point of death once bequeathed to a new owner again become valid for 70 years.(This used to be 50 years but was extended after numerous court cases in the 1980's.)

Having a drink does wonderful things for me. I shall thus continue with my brandy.

Maureen
Northern angel. :bye:

I'm pretty sure it's not based on anything; just done in the style of.

If anything, it sounds like The Frog Chorus :bored:

I'm pretty sure it's not based on anything; just done in the style of.

If anything, it sounds like The Frog Chorus :bored:

Hello Fee for all,

Can you imagine what the frogs chorus sounds like after having too much to drink along with ones cronies. :w00t:

Absolutely mad but fun.

Maureen
Northern Angel

Timmy Mallet :laugh:

Gary Glitter (well his wig is anyway)

Hello Bridge

So many charges of abusing children, and so many excuses for not allowing the law to be administered justifiably, this time it could be different. Maureen.
Northern angel.

Hello Bridge

So many charges of abusing children, and so many excuses for not allowing the law to be administered justifiably, this time it could be different. Maureen.
Northern angel.

Hello Angel
Yes i agree, Glitter gives me the shudders Urgh.