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JakeyBoy
13-02-2006, 10:31 AM
This was posted on GDUK:
http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/rotten%20green%20day%20are%20plonk_08_02_2006

"SEX PISTOLS frontman JOHN LYDON has lashed out at rockers GREEN DAY, accusing them of stealing the term 'punk'.

The singer - who performed as JOHNNY ROTTEN - claims the American band has reduced a political movement into a simple musical style.

He says, "Don't try and tell me Green Day are punk. They're not, they're plonk and they're bandwagoning on something they didn't come up with themselves. I think they are phony."

Referring to his band's battle with the police and censors during its heyday, Lydon adds, "The government's against you, the police are on you.

"So there we are fending off all that and it p**ses me off that years later a w**k outfit like Green Day hop in and nick all that and attach it to themselves.

"They didn't earn their wings to do that and if they were true punk they wouldn't look anything like they do." "

What do you think?

floopy
13-02-2006, 02:37 PM
I think if you like their music, what does it matter what anyone calls it?

Besides which this is probably a publicity stunt. John Lydon has got his name back in the papers after a quiet spell, and Green Day get some good publicity too.

Dolores
13-02-2006, 07:32 PM
I think anyone who takes any notice of a media whore like John Lydon is a bit soft!

JakeyBoy
14-02-2006, 04:19 AM
Haha. The Sex Pistols were created by Malcolm Mclaren as a media spectacle. They were never punk in the sense of making their own way and supporting a small independent scene, or touring an putting out records on their own. Green Day did all that. They came out of a true punk scene. And sorry, but Green Day are and always will be punk, because those are their roots. I like the Sex Pistols but really, they're time is up now! Rotten is doing real-estate now and just wants to get back into the spotlight. He actually wants to do another show!

And why does he care what they wear???... :unsure:

JakeyBoy
15-02-2006, 11:23 AM
"Former SEX PISTOL GLEN MATLOCK has stuck up for punk proteges GREEN DAY, after his ex-bandmate JOHN LYDON dubbed them "a w**k outfit".

Lydon - also known as JOHNNY ROTTEN - claimed the band had stolen the term punk and reduced a political movement into a simple musical style.

But Matlock insists the most important thing is they entertain.

The bassist says, "I think they are just doing what bands do. When Green Day first came out I thought it was kind of funny that there was this Californian band doing this very English sound.

"But I went to see Green Day with my son, who's a fan, and it was very impressive."

bridge
15-02-2006, 01:06 PM
I like Johnny, but he's mad as a fruitcake, but he is enititled to his opinions however shi-tty they may be.

Johnny should stop acting like a pansy and let Greenday enjoy their mad time in the limelight. maybe Johnny is hoping they can do a duet togther?

Dolores
15-02-2006, 05:36 PM
At the time the four snotty nosed blokes in the Sex Pistols were totally unaware of the real meaning of anarchy or aware of any real politcal movement within punk music. It is only with hindsight that John Lyddon is saying this. He and the others didn't have a clue what they were up to ... even Malcolm MacLaren wasn't the great master manipulator he thought he was.

As usual any band is influenced by the record company and the media ... whatever they might think. Curt Kobain may be a rare exception.

JakeyBoy
16-02-2006, 04:51 AM
I like the Sex Pistols but Johnny Rotten is just an old fart who does real-estate now. Sid Vicious WAS and always will be, The Sex Pistols. Too bad he died so young...

Slipper
20-02-2006, 09:58 AM
I like the Sex Pistols but Johnny Rotten is just an old fart who does real-estate now. Sid Vicious WAS and always will be, The Sex Pistols. Too bad he died so young...



Total and utter bollXX

All he was was a look. He couldn't play at all...he only came in after the sound had been created by Glen Matlock who worked brilliantly with Steve Jones and Paul Cook as the tune writer.

Some extracts from the webbynetthingy

Sid Vicious - Bass player, born John Ritchie, with the Sex Pistols; from England. Distinguished by an utter lack of musical talent and possessed only of a lust for fame, Sid Vicious in many ways fit the void- inflected role called for in the Sex Pistols far better than the departing Glen Matlock, who left them toward the end of 1976 for the Rich Kids, Iggy Pop, and other projects.
Unfortunately, it had been Matlock who brought the greatest ability to write songs to the group, directing their efforts as they brewed up their two greatest moments, " ANARCHY IN THE U.K. " and " GOD SAVE THE QUEEN ." But, well, they must have figured it's the chance you have to take.
If the Sex Pistols' outlook for continuing to catch the attention of pop music fans was somewhat compromised, their public profile was already basically in place. And the music itself by that time was well beside the point, as for the most part it always had been.
Sid Vicious, little more than a criminally disturbed child, played his assigned role with relish. He suffered injuries onstage, bled through performances, doggedly pursued heroin addiction, and in general lived his life in a brutally demented haze. For him, sadly, it was no role.


Already known as "the ultimate Sex Pistols fan," Vicious joined the group after Glen Matlock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Matlock)'s departure in February (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February) 1977 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977). According to punk legend, manager Malcolm McLaren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_McLaren) wanted Ritchie in the band because of his looks and punk attitude: If Rotten is the voice of punk, then Vicious is the look. His punk character was considered far more helpful than any knack for playing, as he was notoriously inept musically. Jon Savage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Savage)'s biography of the Sex Pistols, England's Dreaming, recounts that most of the bass parts on the band's later recordings were played by guitarist Steve Jones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jones_%28rock_musician%29) and at live performances Ritchie's amplifier was usually switched off. Sid is said to have asked Lemmy Kilmister (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemmy_Kilmister) from Motörhead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mot%C3%B6rhead) to teach him how to play bass with the words, "I can't play bass." Kilmeister's reply was "I know." According to Kilmeister, Ritchie was a hopeless student. In his autobiography No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs, Lydon writes, "he wasn't too bad at all for three-chord songs." Ritchie played his first gig with the Pistols on April 3, 1977 at the Screen On The Green Cinema in London.


And as for GD being punk..........................Don't make me larff...It was a 70's phenomenon

Kiddo.....get out of bed and find some real punk. Try looking out for some of these

The Damned
The Vibrators
999
X-Ray Spex
The Slits

JakeyBoy
20-02-2006, 10:32 AM
Gee, you're just another one of those people aren't you? I don't care about all that stuff about Sid because if you don't have the punk attitude, well what are you then?

Sure, "punk" originated back in the 70s. But then it died. Punk died and it formed into a more underground music scene. Then, in the 90s it was brought back alive with Dookie, Green Day's third album. And I'm not just saying this because they'r emy favourite band, it's because EVERY punk band has said it!

Punk has evolved over the years. From big, chunky boots to the old gym boots. From just old blue-jeans to black, tight jeans. Punk, sadly, has become more of a fashion nowadays but the true punks are still out there.

And, I DO like old-school punk too so I'm not really sure what you're getting at...