I have observed that his Royal Tony Blairness, has now gone considerably grey and seems less coherent about political issues.

On the subject of War with Iraq he has stated that it was his christian beliefs in God that drove him to steer Britain into War with Iraq. Surely, this is as bad as hearing the voice of God or voices in ones head - steering such a drastic and political judgement, taking Britain into a war that a good proportion of Brits felt was unneccessary.

On this subject if Tony is psycologically troubled than surely he should stand down as PM and as leader of the labour party, to allow someone else to get hold of the reigns of government. This would give Tony an opportunity to seek help after all he is but a short fall away from hearing voices in his head.

Maureen
Northern angel.

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I watched Parkinson on Saturday night & I did not hear him say that it was his Christian belief that drove him to steer Britain into war - I heard him say that in his job he has certain decisions to make that are hard decisions & those he makes, he has to live with in his own conscience.

What I heard him say was along the line of when it comes time for his decisions to be judged, God will be the person judging him.

I am not a great supporter of Tony Blair nor of the war in Iraq but I had great sympathy with him over the weekend when the press reported what he had said. As I said, when I was watching Parkinson, what the press reported was not what I heard.

Hello Jaycee,

Do you think the press are guilty of a deliberate misconstruction for biased reasons?

Is the press and the television coverage that Tony Blair has had over the weekend been unfair?

Maureen
Northern angel.

Tony Blair should step down as PM for the simple reason that he has done ***** all for this country since he came to power in 1997. :glare:

HTH

I had great sympathy with him over the weekend

You need to toughen up a bit jaycee.:mellow:

I watched Parkinson on Saturday night & I did not hear him say that it was his Christian belief that drove him to steer Britain into war - I heard him say that in his job he has certain decisions to make that are hard decisions & those he makes, he has to live with in his own conscience.

What I heard him say was along the line of when it comes time for his decisions to be judged, God will be the person judging him.

I am not a great supporter of Tony Blair nor of the war in Iraq but I had great sympathy with him over the weekend when the press reported what he had said. As I said, when I was watching Parkinson, what the press reported was not what I heard.

I didn't watch the Parkinson interview but Mr B did and more or less said the same as you, Jaycee. It's your typical media spin again!

As for if Tony Blair should step down..........if he does who takes his place?

On this subject if Tony is psycologically troubled than surely he should stand down as PM and as leader of the labour partyMaureen
Northern angel.

That's you joking, right?


If not, you've gone from Christian belief to voices in the head to psychologically troubled all in one joined-up go - which even allowing for a bit of dodgy logic is a bit much!

I didn't watch the Parkinson interview but Mr B did and more or less said the same as you, Jaycee. It's your typical media spin again!

As for if Tony Blair should step down..........if he does who takes his place?


Hello Bella,

I don't think it really is a case of typical media spin, but his comments to Parky have certainly sparked off some serious commentarty not just to war in Iraq, but his continuing political future.

It is my opinion that Tony Blair will bow to peer group pressure within the labour party before his term of office is up. Not for my cynical expression on the subject of hearing voices and placing emphasis on God being his final judge etc. For the very reason that if he stays with the current party it will only damage its future prospects for re-election.

I also think Gordon Brown is being groomed to be the next labour party leader.

I also think Tony has lost touch with the voting electorate, and that Gordon Brown stauch and severe as he appears to be, would be a more appropriate leader.

Maureen.
Northern angel.

That's you joking, right?


If not, you've gone from Christian belief to voices in the head to psychologically troubled all in one joined-up go - which even allowing for a bit of dodgy logic is a bit much!

Hello survivorfan,

I'm not normally funny or witty, and so I apologise to anyone who feels that my thread is rather cynical. Like many Brits I am suspicious of politicians who bring religion into politics. I don't believe the two are comparative friends.

I have no objection to people having a faith, indeed I have one. But the placing of politics and religion on one podium together is cringe worthy.
What comes to mind here are American politicians openly confessing there sins on a political band wagon or using religion to sway voters to elect them, as major, or district attorney, police chief, or as senate members.

I know that the present British Government and every party that has been represented in parliament does have a religious quota sitting in representation of the faith, but this is in respect and honour of the Queen who holds one of many titles as the 'founder and protector of the faith' etc. Such members I believe are called Lords Temporal/Lords Spiritual - as to there function, I couldn't in all honesty say, I know if they have one.

I will be interesting to see what public opinion is over Tony Blairs issue between God, doing the right thing and War with Iraq in the next few days.

Maureen
Northern angel.

It is my opinion that Tony Blair will bow to peer group pressure within the labour party before his term of office is up.

He doesn't have any peers Mo, he's the boss!

He has also stated that he will resign before the next election.



I also think Gordon Brown is being groomed to be the next labour party leader.



Erm, wow. That's a bit out of left field, what makes you say that??:huh:

Hello Bella,

I don't think it really is a case of typical media spin, but his comments to Parky have certainly sparked off some serious commentarty not just to war in Iraq, but his continuing political future.



Maureen, of course it was media spin - the papers made out that Tony Blair had put his faith God and that it was him making the decisions where on Parkinson it didn't come out quite like that!

I think his continuing political future has been in question for some time now, nothing to do with his stint on Parky!

Hello survivorfan,

I'm not normally funny or witty, and so I apologise to anyone who feels that my thread is rather cynical. Like many Brits I am suspicious of politicians who bring religion into politics. I don't believe the two are comparative friends.

I have no objection to people having a faith, indeed I have one. But the placing of politics and religion on one podium together is cringe worthy.
What comes to mind here are American politicians openly confessing there sins on a political band wagon or using religion to sway voters to elect them, as major, or district attorney, police chief, or as senate members.

While I agree that deliberately playing the religious card to attract voters is cheap and hollow, nevertheless I believe that it is a good thing to tap upon one's own spiritual side when making important decisions of a political nature. I'm thinking especially of the moral and ethical aspect of political decisions, especially when a war is involved.

If you take the approach as you have that the two should not go hand in hand, then you get the problem of the political decision makers ignoring the ethics of what they are doing, instead saying - well, let's leave it to the Church to worry about that. In other words, exacerbating the schizophrenic split in society that underlies so many of our problems.

He doesn't have any peers Mo, he's the boss!
The House of Lords :)

Maureen, of course it was media spin - the papers made out that Tony Blair had put his faith God and that it was him making the decisions where on Parkinson it didn't come out quite like that!

I often wonder with all this kind of media spin, whether it is the reporters and editors doing this independantly or whether there is other people behind the reporters/editors pulling their strings and making them report this stuff.