Ooh, lets see if I can do a poll on here.

Go on, if it was your decision who would you have in the white house.
And is the election system going to be fair this time or are the American people going to be cheated again.

Apparently Kerry has already got loads of lawyers lined up ready to take the Republicans to court if it becomes a close call in the votes, which in my opinion is going to be.

Actually this (http://www.betavote.com) is a really interesting site.
It was Steve Wrights website of the day today. It's basically a site where people from all the countries in the world can put their vote in for who they want to win in an election.
It's not really very politically scientific but its really interesting to see how people from different countries have voted.
I haven't been able to register my vote as of yet because their server is busy (good old radio 2 for a bit of advertisement) but just check out the list and look for how many countries want George W. back in the Whitehouse :)

sorry guys, I tried to put a web link in there then but it hasn't worked.

Try again (http://www.betavote.com)

Ok it still doesn't work, Here's the page just typed in.......

http://www.betavote.com

Well I have now worked out that to put a web page link in just type the address in :rolleyes:

GO KERRY!!

I already voted...as I had to get an absentee ballot since I can't make it to the voting booth in my home town tomorrow.

I think I will die if Bush is voted president again. He is the stupidest man on earth and he needs to be kicked back to Texas. He is the worst thing that has ever happened for this country. I just saw Kerry at a rally a couple Friday's ago...as my state may just decide the election results...and I say I have much more faith in him. This election has raised more buzz than any I have ever experienced in my life..and it is going to be intense tomorrow as the results begin to come in. Here's hoping we'll have a new president!!!!!!!!!! Down with Bush!!!

Well.....if the US elect a Chimp to be their president again I shall simply die.....

Go Kerry (although from what I have seen of him I'm not totally convinced but hopefully he has a better supporting staff than Monkey Boy!) :rolleyes:

I am with you, Coastie, not totally convinced but he has got to be better than Bush! According to a GMTV poll this morning only 32% of BRITISH viewers want Bush back in the White House. I simply cannot stand the man, he is the sole reason our troops are in Iraq. We never had any conflict...of the war kind....when Clinton was in power. It seems to be that the Republicans just want to fight and control the world.



Go Kerry (although from what I have seen of him I'm not totally convinced but hopefully he has a better supporting staff than Monkey Boy!) :rolleyes:

It's a funny place America.

Apparently alot of Americans dislike Kerry, because it has been widely reported that he speaks fluent French.

Americans consider the French to be poor allies and somewhat flakey and effete, therefore they associate these qualities with Kerry.

From a personal point of view, I dislike Bush as he strikes me as a buffoon promoted well above his ability, due to the fact that his dad had the top job previously.

That said, it seems likely that Dick Cheyney, who is a pretty smart guy pulls most of the tricky strings.

The problem with Kerry is not really knowing what he stands for.
He seems to read the polls, decide what people want to hear, make a sound bite.

From a macro point of view, the Republican tendency to run a massive budget deficit scares me and will cause global economic problems in the future if they economy doesnt recover enough to bail them out.

To that extent, I trust the Democrats more on the thing that effects us the most obviously.

Ultimately, I'd go for Kerry, but like alot of Americans it would be more of an anti-Bush vote, than a pro-Kerry vote.

Yes, I'd vote Kerry too. Bush scares the heck out of me. It'll be interesting to see the results come in.

Where's Hilary?

Where's Hilary?
Hilary is sitting this one out as she didn't want to run against an incumbent president.

Popular money says she will run next time, if Dubya wins this one.

I am not sure if Kerry gets in he will last. I do agree she should run next time. For all she talks about wanting to get back to her Graduate Students I also feel Condaliza Rice (sp??) is in the wings for the future.

On discussion with Husband (as I don't have a bloody clue) he has said Bush because he has to see the job thru, Iraqu.

Kerry would not be fully committed and would succumb to pressure to pull out. This would be a world wide disaster. They would be dancing in the streets of Theran and Damascus.

Under normal circumstances Kerry would be the one, but Bush has to see this thru.

Quote: Cat's Husband.

PS at the end of the second world war the british people voted in a labour government even tho Churchill stood firm during the war. It is not the time for changing your horse

It is not the time for changing your horse
Unless, of course, your horse is lame ;)

I'd love to see Hilary in the White House, she would soon put the world to right! :D

He is the stupidest man on earth and he needs to be kicked back to Texas. He is the worst thing that has ever happened for this country.

Despite Kerry looking like Hermun Munster - my vote would definitley go to him. Bush is without doubt in the world/planet/universe the most stupid creature ever in power.

Cat - I see your hubbies point, however Kerry will be 'wowed' if he resolves the Iraq debacle, frankly whatever he does will be better than Bush is doing!!

Oh - my eldest [so politically inclined??] has just informed me Kerry is in the lead by 7 mill - me reckons Kerry will be the next president of the USA!!

Let's hope so. I do agree that there is something really rather strange looking about Kerry! Despite all the "sexual" things with Clinton you have to admit that he some kind of charisma about him - he had the X-Factor!!! :D



Oh - my eldest [so politically inclined??] has just informed me Kerry is in the lead by 7 mill - me reckons Kerry will be the next president of the USA!!

my point of view is that I find them both very scary. Bush has eyes that are so close together he looks boss eyed and thick. Kerry looks like Ted Danson (ex of cheers), but his teeth seem to small for his mouth.

My political understanding is very thin, so I don't like to get involved too much as always get knocked out in the first round. But even on my remedial understanding, I find it very scary that such a super state can have such puppets as their leaders.

...ave it.

Let's hope so. I do agree that there is something really rather strange looking about Kerry! Despite all the "sexual" things with Clinton you have to admit that he some kind of charisma about him - he had the X-Factor!!! :D


God Bella again I agree, I was going to post a similar thing. We have just been talking and agreed that what Clinton had was charisma, none of the runners or bush have that. The fact that he loved all the ladies too seems to add to him. He has such a presence and is a very big man - quote Judy (of Richard and Judy).

Yeah, I think the only reason I want Kerry is that I don't want Bush! I would most definitely like to "have" Bill Clinton though!!! :shock: ;) :D

Plus there wasn't really any worldy conflict when Clinton was in the house, he seemed like the sort of guy you could invite round to your house whereas Kerry and Bush, I agree are very scary! :eek:

If the US allowed 3rd terms, Clinton "have a cigar" would have been in.

Smoke it. :eek:

Who voted for Bush?! :shock:

who ever did Gore still had over 500 votes more??????

Work that one out and smoke it :eek:

'Ultimately, I'd go for Kerry, but like alot of Americans it would be more of an anti-Bush vote, than a pro-Kerry vote.'

Well I have no idea about the politics of this election, but all of my friends across the pond I have been in touch with (about 25 or so) are all voting Kerry, as an anti Bush measure.

M

'Ultimately, I'd go for Kerry, but like alot of Americans it would be more of an anti-Bush vote, than a pro-Kerry vote.'

Well I have no idea about the politics of this election, but all of my friends across the pond I have been in touch with (about 25 or so) are all voting Kerry, as an anti Bush measure.

M

That's pretty much how I am voting. I have grown to like Kerry tho, but would have prefered Howard Dean, who also ran for the Democratic vote for the presidency, but lost out to Kerry. However, my main focus of voting is still very much to just get Bush the heck out of office.

What happened to Hilary Clinton running for presient??


I defo would have gone for her - and I bet the majority of the US Citizens would have done likewise - women=peace!!

That's pretty much how I am voting. I have grown to like Kerry tho, but would have prefered Howard Dean, who also ran for the Democratic vote for the presidency, but lost out to Kerry. However, my main focus of voting is still very much to just get Bush the heck out of office.


I have no problem with Kerry, I liked Clinton; sometimes you have to go with the devil you know (he is a devil). But the alternative is the cave men win.

quote: Cats, Husband.

women=peace!!

Margret Thatcher :whistle:

I think that statistically you will find that women leaders take their countries to war mor than men Flip.

I have been convinced by my American posters on another forum, who have been debating the pro's and con's for at least twelve months that Kerry is the next POTUS.
Statistics are in his favour too.

On discussion with Husband (as I don't have a bloody clue) he has said Bush because he has to see the job thru, Iraqu.
My husband also said the same thing, that Bush should stay in and sort out the mess that he has made.

Personally I say get Bush out of the whitehouse, get someone else in who will hopefully sort a few things out.

Well.....if the US elect a Chimp to be their president again I shall simply die.....

I so agree with this Coastie - Monkey Boy Bush MUST NOT win !!!! :mad1:

This is quite intense...results are slowly coming in at the moment. Things appear to be leaning towards Bush. :(...but many of the key states for Kerry haven't been polled yet...and as we learned in the last election...you can never really tell whether a candidate wins until you count ALL the votes...and then recount them...and recount them again...for three months. lol The two most important states in determining the election are being polled at hte moment..and whoever wins those will probably win the election.

Looking very much like BUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHH at the moment isn't it?

Apparently Bush only has to win Ohio and its in the bag, is it true he has already been giving interviews??????

Just been watching Jon Snow....he's great isn't he.

Yeh, at the moment it looks like Bush has won Florida, but they are still counting Ohio, so there's still time yet for Kerry:)

What is it with the American people - why on earth are they voting for a baboon who doesn't know his a%$& from his elbow? They are all mad, mad, I tell you!

It is a complete and utter injustice for the world if Bush.........and it looks like he will..........return to the White House. It's a sad day for politics! :( :(

There are apparently people still queing to vote! I wonder if they will be allowed to - somehow I doubt it - but this could cause recount after recount - if they are not being allowed to have their democratic right to vote on the basis that too many people voted, I would be wanting to see them have their vote!!

And it is scarily looks like Bush!!:eek:

I sooooo hope that Kerry wins. Bush is a power hungry man who went to war as his father failed to win it when he was in power, and he wanted to succeed. GET HIM OUT.

Sadly, it rather looks like Bush will take Ohio, which will return him to the White House.

They've counted most of the votes in Ohio and Bush still has a 2% lead.

I feel if Bush gets in it will knock Tory Blurr. We will then vote next spring to keep supporting the double act or not...
I think at this stage Kerry is less than charismatic, the democrats need to ride this term out as the potential for a successful term are small, it is impossible to undo whats ongoing. Whatever the politics the quality of individual lives in the UK and USA is generally good and Iraq is a mess that we are not living with but observing. I say that as someone with military family out there.

Hey - does anyone know when we'll find out who has won the Presidency?

Last I heard, it was looking worringly like it might be a Dubya victory.

Bush has basically won.

However, if Kerry doesn't conceed, they are saying it will take 11 days to count all the postal and overseas votes in Ohio, which is the deciding state.

Oh bum! I really didn't want Bush to win.

Love the new sig though Groucho!

[QUOTE=Groucho]Bush has basically won.
[QUOTE]

Oh. Terrific! :ranting:

lol, I woke up at 7, checked how it was doing... looking towards bush, ******...

went back to sleep... got up about half 8, checked again...

it gets worse...

I really can't be arsed with Bush as president again... and I think Labour will win ours again just because conservaties and lib dems are too weak rather than loads of people liking labour... though things can change...

Yep, very much looks like Bush won. I am so ****ed, and wish I could leave the country right NOW. They are supposedly recounting the votes in Ohio, but I don't think the results will change. I honestly do not know how i can live here with that disgusting man as my president for four more years. He can't even speak complete sentences, and he's the president. wtf?

It probably won't be official for a bit longer tho as I believe there are still several absentee ballots still be counted in Florida and Ohio. Let's pray for a miracle.

I hope you do get a miracle Islandman as i cant stand him either. Fingers crossed.

What is it with the American people - why on earth are they voting for a baboon who doesn't know his a%$& from his elbow? They are all mad, mad, I tell you!

What is with the American people is that they still hold religious values close to their hearts. Bush is anti-abortion and anti single sex marriage, which a lot of Americans still agree with. And that is the one reason Kerry didn't do so well. I can guarantee that if Kerry held those values he would be ahead of Bush now, but he doesn't and that is why he lost.

you're probably right there Tigger, but if that is correct, then it's quite a shortsighted view from the American people.

Kerry conceeds!

Dubya gets his second term at the White House. :(

Mmmm, I can see your point Tigger but isn't time that the Americans moved with the times. I find it hard to stomach that they hold religious values such as anti-abortion and anti single sex marriage but accept that they can go gung-ho into another country and rip apart, with little regard for the consequences...................

This isn't a go at go btw, Tigger but at the American people. You only have to take a look around the world, most countries are gutted that Bush is back in power.



What is with the American people is that they still hold religious values close to their hearts. Bush is anti-abortion and anti single sex marriage, which a lot of Americans still agree with. And that is the one reason Kerry didn't do so well. I can guarantee that if Kerry held those values he would be ahead of Bush now, but he doesn't and that is why he lost.

What is with the American people is that they still hold religious values close to their hearts. Bush is anti-abortion and anti single sex marriage, which a lot of Americans still agree with. And that is the one reason Kerry didn't do so well. I can guarantee that if Kerry held those values he would be ahead of Bush now, but he doesn't and that is why he lost.

'tis true. Religion was a HUGE part of this election. Even though we have a clause in our constitution taht says there will be FULL separation of church and state...and even though the same sex marriage ban goes against that rule...for some reason they are still being passed. America is no FREE country. It drives me nuts everytime the religious groups try to implement their "values" onto the rest of the country...and world for that matter.

I have tried to see the republican view point and why they would support Bush..but the only thing i can see is religion as a factor.

I knew it would be difficult to get rid of Bush because it has historically been very difficult for the incumbent president to be beaten during times of war, and the fact that many of the "moral" issues such as anti-abortion and same sex marriage bans were put into the forefront of the election...which pulled in many religious groups to voting in mass quantities.

However, I feel that the fact the this election and last election were so close shows that the US is a very divided country...and for every person who uses religion as a basis for voting, there is someone who does not feel it is appropriate for religion to play so largely in government. There has been HUGE anti-Bush sentiment even in the US, and I have found it difficult to find many people who actually support Bush, yet somehow he is getting the votes. I think one of the major problems is that people vote solely on party lines, rather than for the president, and republicans are characteristically very loyal to their party...so even people who do not like Bush would still vote for him because he is Republican.

I am stunned that that moron will still be influencing/instructing our PM for the next 4 years.

The comments following the report on the BBC news website are very telling - the rest of the world seem to feel the same way we all do.

Roll on 2008 & Hilary

Five Reasons Why Bush Got Voted Back Into Office

1. Some Americans say things like this:

"Have you not noticed that Americans don't give two ****s what Europeans think of us? Each email someone gets from some arrogant Brit telling us why to NOT vote for George Bush is going to backfire, you stupid, yellow-toothed pansies ... I don't give a rat's ass if our election is going to have an effect on your worthless little life. I really don't. If you want to have a meaningful election in your crappy little island full of ****ty food and yellow teeth, then maybe you should try not to sell your sovereignty out to Brussels and Berlin, dip****. Oh, yeah - and brush your goddamned teeth, you filthy animals."
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5. That will be all.
cheerio!

Five Reasons Why Bush Got Voted Back Into Office

1. Some Americans say things like this:

"Have you not noticed that Americans don't give two ****s what Europeans think of us? Each email someone gets from some arrogant Brit telling us why to NOT vote for George Bush is going to backfire, you stupid, yellow-toothed pansies ... I don't give a rat's ass if our election is going to have an effect on your worthless little life. I really don't. If you want to have a meaningful election in your crappy little island full of ****ty food and yellow teeth, then maybe you should try not to sell your sovereignty out to Brussels and Berlin, dip****. Oh, yeah - and brush your goddamned teeth, you filthy animals."
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5. That will be all.
cheerio!
And with NHS dentists being as rare as hens teeth and current NHS dentists all going private, our teeth will be going more and more yellow ......... :rolleyes: lol

In reply to the above Id just like to say get some fashion sense/stop talking loudly/stop eating and lose some weight/try not to wuss out of travelling anywhere just because it "might" be dangerous/stop making films that are so syrupy and sentimental they make us puke and more importantly - STOPPPPPPPPPP VOTING FOR PRESIDENTS THAT NOT ONLY LOOK LIKE CHIMPS BUT HAVE THE IQ OF ONE TOO ......... Rant over :p

STOPPPPPPPPPP VOTING FOR PRESIDENTS THAT NOT ONLY LOOK LIKE CHIMPS BUT HAVE THE IQ OF ONE TOO ......... Rant over :p

Actually I think you will find that the average Chimpanzee has a far higher IQ than the average US President! ;)