Have to say I think this is another story that is blown out of proportion:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5296200.stm

I can understand the media claiming that it is discrimination but the facts are that if you obese, it is increasingly harder for the fertility treatment to work.

I am not saying that overweight women should not be allowed but considering that IVF does cost a lot of money, it is better spending the money on women who have a higher rate of success. It was also stated that women who are too thin could be denied.

It's the same with any medical procedure, obesity does come in to it - many operations will have been postponed or called off because of this issue.

I could make a very un PC comment about obese women and pregnancy but I won't....

Serious subject and all




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Oh go on Slips, that's what the debate section is all about! :devil:

It's all about nature innit

Natural selection and all that

I mean, who'd ..................no no no I'm not going to do it

Go on slip, you know you will in the end.

I agree with Bella, severley overweight women should be encouraged to lose weight before embarking on any fertility treatment.

Tee hee! Can...... open. Worms........ everywhere.

As a woman who is (according the doctor's chart) obese, I consider myself blessed to have been able to conceive and give birth twice, the second time being when I was almost 32. I don't know how I'd feel if I wasn't so lucky and had the opportunity of IVF denied me. I would like to think, though, that I would do all I could to lose the extra weight if it was that important to me.

My brother and his wife is overweight and we often talk about this being the reason that they cant have children but surely there must be more to it than that. I agree that people who self inflict their condition should be down the list compared to others but in saying that, what if it is all about the type of DNA we have or a medical condition?

Anyway, I do think my brother and his wife should lose weight but what if they did and they still could not conceive?????

Anyway, I do think my brother and his wife should lose weight but what if they did and they still could not conceive?????

They'd be thinner






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apparently they're still giving it to smokers and lesbians though ...

I mean in this life yer makes yer choices and if fat women can't have IVF then why should smokers or lesbians ... discuss

I think the point is medical Dol, the facts are that fertility treatment when used with someone who is overweight tends to fail but that said the rates of fertility treatment working with a "normal" person is also fairly remote!

They can still pay for it privately but the NHS are taking steps and it is costly so maybe they do need to more selective.

I think the lesbians should definately be able to have it, but the smokers should be reconsidered if obese people are. Personally I have no problem with anyone having it (although I would hope that the smokers would give up whilst pregnant) although I can see the point that if it's less likely to work on obese people they might want to consider slimming to help the process.

Aside from that though I just don't see what being fat has got to do with anything really, who knows running round after a few kids may help shed a few pounds if they need to.

All that said, if there isn't enough treatment to go around then there has to be a list so why not first come first served? I mean, it might not be consistantly 100% effective on skinny girls either.

I think the point is medical Dol, the facts are that fertility treatment when used with someone who is overweight tends to fail but that said the rates of fertility treatment working with a "normal" person is also fairly remote!

They can still pay for it privately but the NHS are taking steps and it is costly so maybe they do need to more selective.

but surely smoking is as bad and as much of a drain on the NHS as being fat.

also I would have thought one of the attractions of being a lesbian (to a lesbian) was having lots of sex and no kids - not no (willy) sex and lots of kids!! :unsure: :kid:

but surely smoking is as bad and as much of a drain on the NHS as being fat.

also I would have thought one of the attractions of being a lesbian (to a lesbian) was having lots of sex and no kids - not no (willy) sex and lots of kids!! :unsure: :kid:


ROTFLMAO!!!
Dol, sweet Dol...:w00t:

also I would have thought one of the attractions of being a lesbian (to a lesbian) was having lots of sex and no kids - not no (willy) sex and lots of kids!! :unsure: :kid:

I'm a lesbian in a mans body........!! :thumbsup:





Just not practising at the moment :sad:



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Am I the only one who finds the word "lesbian" slightly insulting? I'm not saying that's how it's meant here, but every time I read the word, it jars me slightly.

Is there an equivalent word for a gay man?

I know I'm off-topic, but please just go with me on this one.

Am I the only one who finds the word "lesbian" slightly insulting? I'm not saying that's how it's meant here, but every time I read the word, it jars me slightly.

Is there an equivalent word for a gay man?

I know I'm off-topic, but please just go with me on this one.

P00f
Fag
Queen
Many many more offensive ones

try here
http://gaylife.about.com/cs/gay101/a/glossary.htm

Am I the only one who finds the word "lesbian" slightly insulting? I'm not saying that's how it's meant here, but every time I read the word, it jars me slightly.

Is there an equivalent word for a gay man?

I know I'm off-topic, but please just go with me on this one.

hey! you're lucky I chose that word!!! :bye: I nearly went with the 'D' word!!

Am I the only one who finds the word "lesbian" slightly insulting? I'm not saying that's how it's meant here, but every time I read the word, it jars me slightly.

Is there an equivalent word for a gay man?

I know I'm off-topic, but please just go with me on this one.

Pats, I've always believed that a word in itself can't be offensive, more a person's perception of that word. If you're fat, you wouldn't like being called fat, but if you're skinny, the word fat wouldn't upset you. So, to call a homophobic man gay would probably be offensive to him, but to call a gay man gay is just accurate.

Could it be that you find lesbians slightly offensive, rather than the word?

Man floops...soooo deep!!:smartie:

Personally I have no problem with anyone having it.
I'm saying nothing.:naughty:

"So, to call a homophobic man gay would probably be offensive to him" this is a very fun thing to do sometimes, it's only the dickheads it winds up, so it's funny and they deserve it. (Sorry, remaining off topic)

I would fail to qualify for fertility treatment if this goes through...but then I'd never want it anyway...if I ever wanted kids and couldn't have any there are enough kids already without a home without me expecting thousands to be spent just because the only child I will bring up is my own...I think it's selfish to be honest!

If I couldn't have kids in anyway shape or form so be it!

I think there are a lot more important things for the NHS to spend their money on that this I am afraid. I know it sounds heartless but the world is way over populated as it is.

I think there are a lot more important things for the NHS to spend their money on that this I am afraid. I know it sounds heartless but the world is way over populated as it is.

It's not heartless MariaRob I would be inclined to agree with you but then it's easy for me to say knowing that I have two children of my own. I don't know how I would feel if I couldn't have any.

I find myself saying the same thing that there are plenty of other children in foster care who could be adopted or children from the less fortunate countries, but then I don't know if I would have gone down that route if I found that I was unable to have children. So like I said, it's easy for me to say.

I hope the same rule is applied to those women who starve and exercise themselves into a non-fertile state.

If they are that desperate for a baby, then - fat or thin - they should get themselves baby-fit. People have to do it for operations, so I don't see the difference.

Do they consider the health of the prospective father in these decisions? Obesity, poor diet, too much alcohol, smoking can all affect fertility in men too.

I think that if the NHS offers fertility treatment, it should be open to all. We all pay the same taxes into the NHS so we should all be entitled to the same level of service.

Whether or not the NHS should give fertility reatment at all is another matter, but I don't think NHS medical care should be descriminatory at all.

Could it be that you find lesbians slightly offensive, rather than the word?

Still continuing off-topic, yet entering into a debate, so will hopefully be forgiven. :huh:

I suppose, subconsciously, it could. Although the term "gay woman" doesn't bother me at all. It's just the word "lesbian". I think it may be because I've heard it used as an insult or accusation too many times. Frinstance, I work with a woman (not the brightest crayon in the box) who hates her shoulders because she thinks they are too broad and make her look like a lesbian. That kind of thing. Ya git me?

Hey, You can put her mind at rest because I've seen many many many lesbians who haven't got broad shoulders in fact thay tend to have long flowing blonde hair and unfeasibly large perfectly circular breasts....at least they say they are lesbians in the magazines, films and posters?!?!

a tad off-topic but in the same line of thought...does the NHS pay for gay men to impregnate a woman to carry a child for them?? asking this, I have a gay brother and a gay(lesbian) S-I-L, but what if one of them were to be infected with AIDS or break-up, or as someone pointed out, weren't in optimal health, i.e., smoked, did drugs, drank to excess, whatever?? Or is that something that has to be done through private insurance or cash or what?? just curious...:unsure: