Have a read of this...

I cannot believe that there are people like this in the world..

Do you think the government don't do enough checks when placing children in foster care? Surely they should check prospective foster parents houses thorougly? Mine was checked as Im a childminder and I don't have the kids to sleep over! What sentance do you think would be a fair one for this man?


Paedophile's sick bait
By ALASTAIR TAYLOR

KIDS' face-painter Glyn Martin - one of Britain's worst paedophiles - left a trail of 2,000 victims, a court heard yesterday.

Amazingly, the ex-school governor became official guardian to two girls - despite living on his own.

And Martin used them as "bait" to lure girls aged between five and 11 to his home - where he drugged them with sleeping pills before abusing and photographing them.

Cops found a vile library of 20,000 pictures - and even MURDER plans at the divorcee's Bridlington, East Yorks, home.

One senior detective on the case said last night: "His mind is the cess-pit of the devil."

Prosecutor Michael Harrison QC told Hull Crown Court: "There are dreadful photographs. It would have been a torment for a jury to look at them."

Police also found locks of girls' hair at his home, plus bayonets, a Samurai sword and a crossbow used in the pictures.

One inscription next to a picture of a girl read: "This is Miss X. She is dead." He kept newspaper cuttings of child killers and had 150 of Soham murderer Ian Huntley, 30.

A senior detective said: "We cannot rule out the possibility Martin has killed a child."

Martin, 53, carried out the attacks between 1987 and 2003. He admitted 57 charges of indecent assault, taking indecent photos, abduction and drugging. He is sentenced today.

I find it hard to believe too. Across the world, the victims of the Tsunami who have lost parents, family and friends are now exposed to the world of child smuggling, kidnap, and paedophilia. No matter how many times I hear about this, I am always shocked. When I look at a young child and imagine that they have been exposed to such corruption, I despair of living in this world. When I heard the news post Tsunami about issues re: child safety, I struggle to believe in the human spirit/goodness/optimism.

I apologise if this comment upsets anyone........


but they should castrate this man only after he has been left in the room with one or two parents of murdered and abused children.(but by then he probab;y won't need castrating)

I cannot and never will understand this type of behaviour... :angry: :mad2:

I hate violence in all its forms and that includes retribution. Your comment doesn't upset me but it recreates the environment that I hate so much.

I hate violence in all its forms and that includes retribution. Your comment doesn't upset me but it recreates the environment that I hate so much.


I accept your point of view tonee and I am not a violent person myself..However this type of incident just brings out the protective streak in me and the wish to inflict on these perverts the sort of misery and pain they have inflicted on others. I am not proud of these feelings, but they are there I am afraid.

I get them, I also understand those feelings but ultimately how can I say a way of behaviour is fundamentally wrong if I inflict that on others. And it is violence against children, the vulnerable. This is not an easy issue at all, but if I had to expend energy on this it would be to protect the vulnerable not waste energy on those who are violent to others.

It's a nasty world full of nasty people Claire - NOT.
Mostly there are 'normal' nice people, and it is these people that fight the wrong doers, it's not always easy, but it's a war we cannot cease to wage.
You might be interested in this debate too, i'm still secrets in this thread.:wink2:
http://www.cybersoapbox.com/csb/viewtopic.php?t=6787&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

http://www.cybersoapbox.com/csb/viewtopic.php?t=6787&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

Will have a look at that when I get a minute, thanks.

I find it hard to believe too. Across the world, the victims of the Tsunami who have lost parents, family and friends are now exposed to the world of child smuggling, kidnap, and paedophilia. No matter how many times I hear about this, I am always shocked. When I look at a young child and imagine that they have been exposed to such corruption, I despair of living in this world. When I heard the news post Tsunami about issues re: child safety, I struggle to believe in the human spirit/goodness/optimism.

Im with you here. I read in the paper about the little Swedish boy who was in hospital - injured after the Tsunami (Thailand I think). His parents went to the hospital and the nurses said he left with some man. I simply can't imagine this. There was a photo of him in the paper, he was beautiful. It is absolutely unbelievable. I don't understand why people would ever want to hurt a child. This world is becoming more and more dysfunctional. I mean child porn? The market is huge- people are sick! I saw a few snaps of images on a police documentary which haunted my mind for weeks. I cried all night.

Personally I think people like this deserve the death penalty. Painless erasure from society. Why should we tax payers have to pay for his upkeep in prison? Evidently the amount it costs to keep them is something like £30k p.a, correct me if Im wrong. In my opinion Murderers, pre-meditated rapists, child abusers and kidnappers should get the death penalty.

Thought you might like to know that they've just sent this w**k*r down for 18 years. (>Story here< (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/4154291.stm).) Prison, hanging, castration - all far too good for the nasty b*st*rd.

I sincerely hope that he emerges from prison in a wooden box.

(Yes, I get hot under the collar about this kind of stuff. Who doesn't?)

I don't know if you are following this story in Ireland but basically a 12 year old boy, Robert, went missing 8 days ago and his body has just been discovered. During this time they have acknowledged a no of sex offenders in the area. The post mortem results are currently been awaited (as I write). A murder investigation is being launched with possible sexual assault. I am so sad, so upset about this.

I don't know if you are following this story in Ireland but basically a 12 year old boy, Robert, went missing 8 days ago and his body has just been discovered. During this time they have acknowledged a no of sex offenders in the area. The post mortem results are currently been awaited (as I write). A murder investigation is being launched with possible sexual assault. I am so sad, so upset about this.

I haven't heard, please keep us posted?

I haven't heard, please keep us posted?

But why? I mean why should a story like this be of such special importance that we should be updated about it on the MB?

Do you not think that the murder of a child is of "special importance", SF?

I haven't heard, please keep us posted?
Claire and Blink,
His body was found, 8 days after he went missing, dumped in a remote area.
He was clothed and has an initial post mortom at the sight of 1.5 hrs then a further pm of 6 hrs which was inconclusive then a further exam the next day. The final result is that he died on the day he went missing, of asphyxia, there was no evidence of sexual assault. The gardai are now looking for a local.
What has emerged is the no of known sexual offenders who are living in a small town. As you can imagine, parents are terrified and there are now many reports of local children having nightmares, afraid to leave home, schools experiencing difficulties managing all of this.
There is noticable relief that there was no evidence of sexual assault though.

Do you not think that the murder of a child is of "special importance", SF?

It's the sort of thing that you can follow in the news if you are interested in it, I find myself wondering why it warrants a special mention here - after all the news is full of things that could be considered of "special importance."

In answer to my own question, I think there's more to it. I think that we as a society need to have common 'enemies' that we all automatically have a particular hatred towards.

At the moment in the UK it seems to be asylum seekers and paedophiles that are the targets, it strikes me that the mere mention of them triggers a Pavlovian reaction.

There is noticable relief that there was no evidence of sexual assault though.

I am pleased to hear that, sexual abuse (especially to innocent children) breaks my heart. thank you tonee.

It's the sort of thing that you can follow in the news if you are interested in it, I find myself wondering why it warrants a special mention here - after all the news is full of things that could be considered of "special importance."

In answer to my own question, I think there's more to it. I think that we as a society need to have common 'enemies' that we all automatically have a particular hatred towards.

At the moment in the UK it seems to be asylum seekers and paedophiles that are the targets, it strikes me that the mere mention of them triggers a Pavlovian reaction.
I am surprised that you find it unimportant SF being a father yourself?
Would you deem it unimportant if known sex offenders were moved close to where you live?

I am surprised that you find it unimportant SF being a father yourself?
Would you deem it unimportant if known sex offenders were moved close to where you live?

I'm not sure that whether or not I have children is significant - I consider it an awful crime. But the fact is the risks are very low, and I don't intend to be carried away by the overexposure given to it in the media, and end up thinking there's a bogeyman lurking around every corner.

Every era seems to needs an acceptable target for a witchhunt, at the moment it's child sex offenders.

I think you might be overlooking a few factors, SF:


this crime involves a particularly vulnerable victim and many people instinctively wish to protect such vulnerability
it is sufficiently close to home for us to think of it as "real"
the younger the victim, the more acutely we'll feel a sense of how much potential has been lost; the child was robbed of more future than a murdered 80 year old

the news is full of things that could be considered of "special importance."And many of them warrant (and receive) a mention on this board.

Your comments about requiring a "common enemy" are quite correct, I think (a few decades ago, the common enemy was any foreginer), but there is more to it than that.

Your comments about requiring a "common enemy" are quite correct
Why, thank you.

but there is more to it than that
yes...

they should castrate this man
Prison, hanging, castration - all far too good for the nasty b*st*rd.
... so I see!

I am not sure what point you were making SF in putting my quote in this post, but I would just like to point out that this quote is taken from another story in this thread about the man who was actually convicted and sentenced to 18 years I believe, for his crimes, and not the story of the little chap Tonee was posting about.


Just wanted to clear that matter up.

Point being that paedophiles seem to provoke a 'string-em-up' reaction which has a sort of mob aspect to it. In fact it wouldn't seem beyond the bounds of possibility that a group of people might just do that if a paedophile lived in their neighbourhood, and actually kill him. You might think well, good riddance he deserves it, but personally I don't think this kind of reaction is the right one, even though I understand people having it.

Take this thread for instance - even though it was probably started with good intentions, you can see it would whip up the sort of anti-paedophile fervour you see everywhere - and, I don't know, maybe thatwas what was intended.

Point being that paedophiles seem to provoke a 'string-em-up' reaction which has a sort of mob aspect to it. In fact it wouldn't seem beyond the bounds of possibility that a group of people might just do that if a paedophile lived in their neighbourhood, and actually kill him. You might think well, good riddance he deserves it, but personally I don't think this kind of reaction is the right one, even though I understand people having it.

Take this thread for instance - even though it was probably started with good intentions, you can see it would whip up the sort of anti-paedophile fervour you see everywhere - and, I don't know, maybe thatwas what was intended.


SF, I see your point totally and agree that we do live in a some what mob rule society. As a reasonable person I don't believe that mob rule works, however when I hear about these individuals who prey on weak and innocent children, or the elderly for that matter,I get extremely angry and if, god forbid, one of my children were affected I think I probably would want to kill the person. These are purely gut reactions, reasonable, sensible thought tells me it is wrong....and ultimately makes me as bad as them.

This thread seems to have generated some strong emotional reactions.
From my perspective, I hate mob reactions to anything. They are strong, lacking in rationale and often more frightening that the source of the reaction.
Secondly, I think an emotional reaction is appropriate when young children are targeted as sexual objects. How could that not be? But the fervour (if that is the right word) needs to be strongly guarded by the law. I think.
Thirdly, the boy I was referring to highlighted many things. That a number of registered sex offenders in Britain have moved into his local area (town) where they are not registered. What does that say?
Further to this, the latest development is that a 20 year old man (boy) got carried away with horseplay and accidentally killed the boy. Yet to be charged but that is the latest.
Overall, I think SF is right about society's need to find a scapegoat. I think the rest of the responses are right about the emotional reaction and sense of abhorrence to this crime. All it means for me is that this is a very complex, emotionally ridden area that is difficult to negotiate for us all individually and within society as a whole.